RE: Weekly Newsletter - 4th edition by cahlen

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vegan · @cahlen · Sep 10 '18 (edited)

I am not contradicting myself, so I suspect it's not clear what I'm saying. 

I suspect plants feel pain when harvested and consumed, but if I don't eat them I will die, so I will eat them anyway.  Animals definitely feel pain when harvested (and even while being farmed) but I don't need to eat them to survive. 

I did not choose to live in a world where I must kill to live, but I will choose to survive anyway while also attempting to minimize the inevitable suffering which results.

It'd be great if it turned out to be true that plants don't suffer, but it feels like we're kidding ourselves to claim to know for certain that they don't. We simply don't know that for sure, and my research leads me to believe they probably do.

👍 evecab, mirella

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@mirella · Sep 10 '18

$0.05

I understand what you're saying. Though I have no doubt plants have a powerful energy system, if I don't pick an apple to eat it, it will fall to the ground anyway. If I don't pick the grapes from the vine, they will wither anyway, same goes for lettuce, etc. If  I don't 'pick' a cow, it most certainly will carry on living.

👍 cahlen, dan47

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@cahlen · Sep 10 '18

I don't believe fruits suffer. I'm talking about the plants themselves (i.e. eating leaves, roots, etc.).

👍 mirella

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@mirella · Sep 10 '18

$0.05

I'm mostly fruitarian. I consider it a crime to harm the plants and trees themselves, not the leaves and fruits, but the mothers of all fruits. 

For health reasons I can't digest roots so that's not even an issue for me. And we can do just fine without them. As for leaves, I consider them the edible part of a plant. 

My diet is very limited thanks to celiac disease, but I am and look very healthy.  People don't believe me when I tell them I have a chronic disease....I think knowing how to get all your nutrients is key.

👍 cahlen

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@evecab · Sep 10 '18

$0.05

I sure hope they don't suffer @cahlen. I'm not a scientist but from what I understand they can have defense systems and chemical reactions without actually being conscious...I don't know if plants are self aware. Maybe science will tell us more in the future.

👍 cahlen

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@cahlen · Sep 10 '18

I hope they don't either. However, science does not understand how biology generates conscious experience, and I suspect it never will.

Consider aliens coming upon a man with "locked in syndrome", where he can feel and sense his environment normally but is completely unable to act, speak, etc. They could burn him and measure his chemical response (which is similar to plants), but they may ultimately conclude he felt no pain because he did not protest, when in fact he felt it very intensely.

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@evecab · Sep 10 '18

$0.05

very true!!! good example

👍 cahlen

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