Increasing number of users = increasing amount of bad behavior? by jaki01

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· @jaki01 · (edited)
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Increasing number of users = increasing amount of bad behavior?
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First of all I have to say that am happy that mass adoption of our beloved platform, Steemit, is taking place. No doubt Steemit is becoming more and more popular these days as for example @penguinpablo <a href="https://steemit.com/steemit/@penguinpablo/we-have-just-hit-200-000-steem-accounts">pointed out</a> (whereby one should take into consideration that some users have more than one account as @freiheit50 hinted at).
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Many new users are writing interesting stuff of very good quality. As one example amongst numerous I name @bikergirl's reports about her motorbike trips.
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Increasing number of users = increasing amount of bad behavior?
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https://steemitimages.com/DQmcNCuFG4gfupt9EYdUy3v5esdG552HUtLxYsW75RRC6m2/Growth.jpg
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<center>Sourec: <a href="https://pixabay.com/en/graph-growth-finance-profits-163509/">pixabay</a></center>
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Unfortunately where there is light, there is also shadow. I wonder if I am the only one who more and more often observes several kinds of bad behavior, which I think are really annoying? Some examples:
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Under my articles increasingly often I notice comments like "Vote for vote, follow for follow. If you follow me I will do the same." followed by a link to an article or blog. This is completely unrelated to the content of my article! I can only say upvote my article if you <em>like</em> it, otherwise just stay away (respectively in case you are interested in the topic, but disagree with my opinion, just let's discuss the <em>content</em> of the article in a friendly way).
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I even get more and more private messages (in steemit.chat) which ask me to upvote something first to get an upvote in return. Again: if you <em>like</em> my article, just upvote it ... I may upvote you in return (if I <em>like</em> what you write) but I won't sign any 'upvote-contract' with you. :-)
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By the way it seems that many newbies fear to lose anything if they upvote an article. They leave a comment like "Great pictures!" but don't 'find' the upvote button. Hey, you even get curation reward for upvoting articles ...! But please, don't complain that I "forgot" to upvote your comments if you 'forgot' to upvote my article. :)
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Recently I noticed a rather perky behaviour in the #postpromotion channel of Stemit Chat: one user claimed to upvote nearly everybody to get some 'upps' in return ... but it seems he didn't know there is https://steemdb.com/ ... he hadn't upvote anybody during the last few hours ...
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Well, there may be different opinions about general behavior and politeness but until now it never happened to me before that someone (a newbie as well) came to my 'wall' just to write a comment he didn't find my meme challenge entry funny (while the ones who had upvoted it were called "suck ups"). Of course there is no 'duty' to like my memes (it's a matter of taste as so many things) - but I myself would never make the effort to write negative comments under every article which isn't in accordance with my (subjective) expectations (not to upvote is enough) ...
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Last but not least the previously mentioned article of @penguinpablo had been copied, pasted and set up as 'own work' by a newbie ...
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Don't get me wrong: Steemit still is by far the most pleasant place to meet friendly, polite, educated, creative and intelligent people online. Bad behavior like in the examples above is still not the rule but the exception. But I really hope it stays like that in future even if the number of users keeps growing.
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And to all the newbies reading that: I really understand very well how urgent you are trying to get more attention for your articles. I agree that in many cases your rewards are much smaller than what you would deserve. If you go to the start of my blog you will see that most of my early texts stayed more or less unnoticed as well. It can be a long and sometimes frustrating way to finally get some reward for all the efforts. My advice is to patiently build your own follower base by ...
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... communicating with other users by commenting on their articles (in a friendly way). Best is not only to write "Nice post!", but to show real interest and discuss the content of the article. Also don't be too costive with your upvotes.
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... trying your best to write high quality articles. If for example I write about science I always list the sources at the end of the articles. If I show images of animals or plants I will deliver the scientific names (if possible). These are just two examples.
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... writing about things you are interested in (not about what you think people want to read). As an example I started to write about chess, even if I considered it to be a small niche. Amazingly my chess quizzes have been my most successful posts in the past.
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... investing some money to buy Steem if possible. You will not only benefit if the value of Steem increases but in addition your higher Steem power increases the influence of your votes and your curation reward. To invest into Steemit helps the platform to grow and the value of Steem to increase.
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That's what I can tell you, but you may also ask members like @trafalgar, @timsaid or @sweetsssj, who are far more successful than me, for even better secret hints ... :-)
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I wish you much success and all the best! But please abstain from the crude 'follow-me-then-I-will-follow-you' method. Believe me, there are better ways.
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@twinkleberry ·
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Richtig guter Beitrag - Danke dir fΓΌr die vielen Informationen :)
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@gardengirlcanada ·
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I have been on STEEMIT for about 9 months. People (newbies) just have to be patient. Post quality content in both posts and comments, and wait it out just like everyone else who had to in the beginning. It's like a job you gotta start at the bottom rung. Steemit is not a get rich quick scam.
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@orionsbelt ·
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Just joined about 2 weeks ago, i expect journey to be bumpy and slow but hopefully i'll reach there someday soon :)
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@jaki01 ·
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Good luck! :)
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@taraamin77 ·
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I have noticed all of these in my posts.
The numerous amount of time people have begged for a "follow".
Not just here, but on Steem chat, spamming the rooms with "upvote, I upvoted you, you gotta upvote now!".
It's amazing that you wrote this! 
I will post this link below "their" comments if I find something too inappropriate on my posts atleast!
Thanks a lot for the share @jaki01 <3
Upvoted!! :)
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@jaki01 ·
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NOT <em>only</em> upvote: follow me then I will follow you, too - haha, just kidding! ;-)
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@taraamin77 ·
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Haha :P
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@englishtchrivy ·
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you have a point!
some even say - if you like this post look at my post blah blah
on someone's post
pretty blatant these days
but don't worry I read an article about it
you know what they say - the evil will succeed but it would be short lived
I got a few of that follow me I'll follow you - which is very funny cause all of my posts have that post [thecryptofiend]() authored about [The Complete Steemit Etiquette Guide (Revision 2.0)](https://steemit.com/steemit/@thecryptofiend/the-complete-steemit-etiquette-guide-revision-2-0)
funny they commented on my post and never seen that?
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@flurgx ·
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well put - upvoted :D
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@ewkaw ·
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I consider myself a newbie, but I also noticed that annoying behavior. The "funny" part is that if someone comes to my post and asks for following back/votes back and so on, it actually works the opposite way. I don't even look at the profile.  I don't know when people will realize that it just doesn't work that way!

I also noticed some amount of stolen photographs without mentioning the source or author. First I didn't pay attention to it, as I thought people will not do that here. But no - there are users like that. And they have  higher Reputation than me. 

And lastly - I did enjoy your article but I am out of votes for now, so will not hit the button... just for now.  Resteeming though to come back later :)
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@lennstar · (edited)
$1.02
So far steemit has been in  niche. Niches tend to have same-minded people who also have the same socialization. 

Now with the steem price rising people from other parts of the net are coming, and of course they are attracted by $$.

But since they "grew up" in a different area, they have the behavior of there. 
In the attention economy tit for tat (I follow you, you follow me) is a legit way to up the only measure - eyeballs (real or imagined). 

You get what you measure. Luckily steemit has a very direct measure: SBD. They will get used to this and learn how to get someone to vote. 

If I get such tit for tat comments I always answer that I don't believe in that and won't follow. 

You have to potty-train the facebook-babies first ;)

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>They leave a comment like "Great pictures!" but don't 'find' the upvote button.

I also often forget to upvote when I want to /have written a comment. Other have said the same.
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@liliana.duarte ·
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It seems you got hit too by the "Nice post" and "Follow me" crisis! I guess that's another growth pain of Steemit, but time will "naturally​ select" those new steemians and/or they will eventually adapt.
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@umangkochar1996 ·
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@stresskiller ·
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seen it all before on TSU.co , but here you can't really report those people you can only flag them i think
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@whatitsworth ·
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Unfortunately just as cities that grow quickly will have increased incidents of bad behavior so will growing platforms.
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@gyanibilli ·
$3.95
Very well said @jaki01. There are always two sides to a coin so this kind of behaviour is not unexpected. I believe steemit is a platform with a built in filter. I haven't been here long enough but I do see that these kind of Spammy posts and comments are effectively being ignored by genuine users. :)
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@rooseveltwoods ·
$1.03
Thank you very much for this post. I have followed and upvoted, please do the same thing for me to help each other.
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@jaki01 ·
$8.49
I call that 'sense of humour' ... :)
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@hagbardceline ·
$2.43
Hey, I just wanted to write the same. You stole my joke!

@jaki01 On a more serious note, you are absolutely right about this behaviour. I usually just ignore those comments...
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@beatminister ·
$1.07
I can only agree to what you say. Just collecting followers randomly is has no benefits anyway. 
About the etiquette, I would say it could be much worse, concidering there is no real moderation carried out. May be that could become a issue when the site grows further. One problem I see in the flagging system. Or, rather in the lack of a system in it. Everybody can shot everybody else down at will (if I have understood this correctly), thats paradise for those who join cummunities only to piss people off. It may require some kind of "court" which decides if a flagging is justified, or was only a malicious act.
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@jaki01 ·
$7.81
Yes, the flagging system is - to say the least - suboptimal. :)
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@rem3600 ·
$1.02
It was the same on tsu, but i think the best thing to do is to ignore it and flag them when needed. It can suck a lot of energy that could be used more profitable. But the posts about the topic are winners ! \☺/
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@jamhuery · (edited)
$1.02
@trafalgar, @timsaid or @sweetsssj they are have many follower and good content creator, and i followed you cause i know you @jaki01 are one of science crew.
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@jaki01 ·
$7.61
;-) Yes, member of SteemSTEM ...
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@jamhuery ·
$0.20
which type content is better to post to entry one of steemstem criteria, are you a chemistry ?
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@freedomnation ·
$0.58
It is a normal thing on social media.  Have you ever visitied youtube comments section? I heard it's a horror story,  lol.
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@jaki01 ·
$7.35
There are many bad examples in the world of social media, but I still hope the level of Steemit will not adapt downwards ...
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@freedomnation ·
$3.18
It's a natural consequence of growing social media.  I remember when Facebook started. Everyone was polite and humble.  Now it's a conglomerate of everyone and everything.
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@busser ·
$1.07
Of course people game the system if it is gameable - it is rational behaviour. All we can do - to keep updating the rules
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@jaki01 ·
$7.32
Hm ... I get what you mean, but I am not convinced that this behavior is <em>really</em> rational. At a first glance it may be, but it damages reputation in the long term, so that the negative consequences, not only for the community as a whole (and thereby indirectly for every member), but also directly for these individuals, may outbalance the positive ones.
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@busser ·
$1.29
This is classic prisoner's dilemma from game theory - too often used though, as Godwin's law in political dicussions ;-) But it has  solution -  set of rules on protocol's level
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@foxkoit ·
$0.61
I like this post :)
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@jznsamuel ·
$2.65
You have nailed the behavior correctly, but I also believe that over a period of time they learn what the community is about and most of them change for the better.
Some people cannot be changed :D
Thanks for sharing and tips are very useful! Obviously I up-voted before commenting :)
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@jamjamfood ·
$1.01
For sure more users on steemit at these days (myself included). This leads automatically to more people with "quick money" behavior. Directly they are the role model for other, which will read it and adapt this style. 
I commented last week often on the introduction posts. Really great stories, but I saw also a tendency of posts related to point out their misery (to get money most likely).  
Hopefully this is only a wave and the begging will not be part of steemit.
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@madlenfox ·
$1.07
You have written absolutely the right thing. Thanks for this post! I was faced with the same extortion of votes. It started recently(at least on my blog). It is very sad that the people in ways and methods are trying to move. The main thing - that this negative practice is not the beginning of its epidemic spread in large scale. Thank you and good luck @jaki01
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@karensuestudios ·
$1.01
Great advice. I agree, quality and time are what builds up your following. The more I have looked at people like @sweetsssj and @Kaylinart, all I see is hard work. I remember reading an article by Kaylin stating that she posts 4 quality posts everyday, and she deserves all the upvotes. Hard work and persistence will always pay off in the long term. I think we live in a world where we want to be rewarded instantly, so it can be hard when being successful on Steemit requires patience. I'm pretty new to Steemit, and I know it will take time to build up a following... and that's okay. I love being on here! :)
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@jaki01 ·
$7.27
Good luck ... as I know you are skillful in many other areas I am sure you can succeed on Steemit, too. :-)
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@karensuestudios ·
$0.60
thanks :)
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@lemouth ·
$1.01
One can try to cheat... But we will know at some point :D
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@kedjom-keku ·
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Yes. You are right. But it is everywhere. The more people, the more likely it is to find a jerk there. But as you also said: This is the most friendly online place I have ever been. 
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@thepe ·
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I noticed this behaviour of "Follow you, follow me" (reminds me of a song by Genesis) too - but not under my articles by now. Maybe, I'm not yet important enough. 
For me, I can say that my first days here on Steemit were much more successful (not only concerning financial aspects) than I expected. I suppose, that it was surely helpful to know you, because you somehow introduced me to the community. 
But nevertheless, it is so much fun to think of topics, write the articles and reflect about how to explain the subject for as many people as possible to understand. And as intended, the rewards you get an additional motivation. 
Surely, there is still the hope to reach more and more people everytime but it may be a little bit like a drug - you always want more. But actually, I know for sure that I have to be patient and I'm looking forward to the future and to the contacts and experiences I can make here.
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@cybercodetwins ·
You are getting newbies on are now joining steemit who were used to fb, insta, twitter and YT that allowed this . Let them grow but also correct them on their behavior like your article that promoting awareness of following that behavior can have some consequences.
 >"Vote for vote, follow for follow. If you follow me I will do the same.
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@aggroed ·
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So, you have a way of answering these kind of things politely where I just use satire.  

https://steemit.com/howto/@aggroed/steemit-tips-f4f-upsteem-ur-revote-post-randm-chanellls-tag-everyone-and-all-whlz-free-lambos-guarented-h2g-wrtng-epc-5hr-pst

The english is purposefully hard to read to mimic the terrible english represented by those who do that follow the approach you mentioned.
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