WARNING, potential scam: "Mogul - Build Your Invisible Empire" by samupaha

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· @samupaha ·
$1,810.83
WARNING, potential scam: "Mogul - Build Your Invisible Empire"
My scam detector went wild when I happened so see this announcement: [Steemit-Based Reality Game Announced: $10 million prize pool](https://steemit.com/introduceyourself/@matttrainer/steemit-based-reality-game-announced-usd10-million-prize-pool)

10 million dollar prize pool? Ok... Where is that money coming from? No explanation.

Some guy is promising it while boasting how he has helped a lot of people make huge sums of money. So classic online get-rich-quick scammer style.

> I've been teaching for years and I have several hundred successful students. Many have made more than six figures in just a few months. One star student even did $2 million in sales ONE DAY from the game I taught him.

> Yes you really can make money by playing a game. If a newbie 71 year old grandma can do it, so can you.

> On the high end, one "player" bought a $5 million Las Vegas penthouse from his game play.

Now come on, who can take this seriously?!

Then I check the comments. It all starts to make sense when I see old "friend" @michaelx aka @murderistic aka Michal Taggart in there, publicly announcing that he has been working with this guy.

@michaelx was involved in Banx, which somebody, who has been a long time in cryptoscene, might still remember. It was a pure ponzi scam but managed to be in top10 at coinmarketcap.com for a while.

I've written a couple of times about it:
[The case of Banx & C-CEX](https://steemit.com/marklyford/@samupaha/the-case-of-banx-and-c-cex)
[Banx was definitely a scam](https://steemit.com/banx/@samupaha/banx-was-definitely-a-scam)

And then I decided to google [Matt Trainer](https://www.google.fi/search?q=matt+trainer+scam). Interesting stuff pops up. Apparently he is a serial scammer, involved in different online and multilevel marketing schemes. He is even convicted to jail for some kind of mail fraud.

### Conclusion

First and foremost: **Don't give any money to people like Matt Trainer or Michael Taggart.** You can be pretty sure that it won't be a good investment.

**Be skeptical.** If something sounds too good to be true, it usually isn't true. Especially when somebody is promising an easy way to make a lot of money.

**Don't upvote scammers.** Seriously, it sucks to see the Steem community giving them any profits.
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@oluwoleolaide ·
Thanks for the update, am gonna stir away from those twoπŸ‘£πŸ‘£πŸ‘£πŸ‘£
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@osmerj ·
Important information thanks
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@siersod ·
Thank for your post, it gives me so much to think
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@michaelx · (edited)
If you don't like his game, don't play it.  If you don't like me, don't talk to me.   I wish I could give you hug, I think that is what you really need.   You keep spreading things you have no knowledge of, and perpetuate false things.  Also, I have never asked you for money, or anyone else.  Get your stuff straight.  Peace bro.
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@shenanigator ·
$4.20
Can you tell us what is false? Can you enlighten us about the truth? This reply doesn't instill much confidence.
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@michaelx · (edited)
Simple.  I was only involved in a contracted marketing consulting capacity with BANX - before any allegations of scam or otherwise.  I was not involved in any other way.  As of earlier this year, BANX filed bankruptcy in the UK, the authorities looked at their stuff, no criminal wrongdoing, so really anyone perpetuating falsehoods is just looking to forment problems.  Repeating things that are not true that you have no involvment with or knowledge of does not make something true.  And I lost money at BANX too, but you don't see me crying about it.
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@clevercreator ·
https://www.facebook.com/thematttrainer/videos/10154845941213051/
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@tyty24 ·
Hey @clevercreator no need trying to convince people. They will just have to see on their own. I have learned the hard way not to judge.
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@samupaha ·
I happen to care about other people, sometimes. That's why I warn them if I see them getting scammed.
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@shenanigator · (edited)
$4.85
I appreciate your take on it. I thought it sounded interesting, so I went as far as resteeming it. My support of it was strongly influenced by @stan's comment in that post. I'm going to keep an eye on it, but I'll do so with caution and your thoughts in mind. I'm certainly not going to give them any money.
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@skytrex ·
I got the same thoughts when i read the article!
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@markwhittam ·
Nice work Detective Inspector @samupaha
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@gmuxx ·
If it looks like a fish, swims like a fish and smells like a fish - chances are it's a fish
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@kyriacos ·
$3.93
With all of you powers combined
I summon captain Abit!

https://i.imgur.com/L4MYWti.gif
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@stellabelle ·
love this gif. 
Well, it turns out that there may be more unsavory characters besides The Dollar trying to milk it here.
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@kyriacos ·
looks like we have a shit magnet
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@neoncow ·
It looks like @abit has upvoted it. Perhaps to counter the whale downvotes as part of the continuing [Whale no voting experiment](https://steemit.com/steem/@abit/whales-no-voting-experiment-will-end-after-hard-fork-19)?
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@kyriacos ·
i think it was automatic. the post has been now nuked to oblivion
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@shenanigator ·
$6.60
I found this from July 2014. It's someone talking about his experience with one of Matt Trainer's courses. If you are wanting to participate in his new game, I recommend proceeding with extreme caution.

> I want to say upfront that any and all statements made are my opinion.  I do however have email correspondence from Matt Trainer on every point made in this statement.

> I learned about Matt Trainer from a Greg Davis event.  Matt pitched a program he called the $100 million dollar exit.  The idea was to build an email business that would generate hundreds of thousands of dollars a month within 90 days and sell it in 18-24 months for millions of dollars. We were told we would have daily access to him and could reach him anytime via phone or skype.   We were also told only 15-20 people would be in this group.  We were told this was a long term business, but we would begin making money in 30 days and be making up to $100,000 a month in 90 days if we hustled.

> Before purchasing the mentoring, I asked questions like has he done this before?  How long will it take to break even?  How much money can I expect to make in 30,60,90 days?  What other costs are there?  How will the training go etc?

> Matt has you wire him the money.  He does this because wire is guaranteed money and if there is a problem you can’t get your money back.

> Once I sent the money that is when it was all downhill.   For the first 90 days, Matt was not available.  He gave us all access to old courses about solo ads, facebook fan pages and other click bank type stuff.  This was his way to delay the actual training for the course we paid money for (email marketing).

> Matt used constant excuses that he was sick etc. 

> When Matt finally began his β€œtraining” he had us buy a $200 a month server, have 10 decoy sites built, sign up for 10 autoresponder service, and buy leads.   The leads we had to buy were minimum of $3500 a month.   So if you add up the costs you can see the monthly bills are quite high and we haven’t even started yet.

> What we found out as a group, is Matt never mentored anybody on this system.   He was having scripts built that were not ready.  So we waited another few months before they were ready.  So keep in mind the monthly costs don’t stop.

> Finally when we began uploading leads and emailing, everyone lost ALL their accounts including Matt.  Nobody at this point after 7 months has made a single dollar and have spent over $20,000 in expenses. Even Matt announced on a webinar that he hadn’t made a single dollar (expect the $450,000  we paid for this coaching lol.)

> Next, Matt had a webinar where he said autoresponder marketing isn’t working so he is switching to a different platform and we would have to pay another $1,000 for access to that system.

> To make a long story short, that system didn’t work either and Matt decided he was no longer going to do email marketing.

> A few weeks later, Matt had a webinar saying he was going to give us his company and a portion of the profits.

> That never happened either.  At this point I left the group. 

> What is disturbing is even when the program was doomed for failure, he kept on adding members to the group for $15,000 apiece.  Our group ended up to over 30 members.

> I would also like to point out these 30 members were not newbies.  These were experienced marketers and nobody made a single dollar from this program.  

> Matt may come out of the woodwork and tell you some stories and he has a lot of friends in the marketing world that will stick up for him.  I am not saying that Matt hasn’t made people money in the past, but the program he pitched us was an experiment.  He pitched it as a system that he trained people in and was repeatable.  What we learned is we paid for an idea and that idea failed.  Matt refuses to refund anyone (ie.  reason we had to wire money).

> Currently he is pitching another program where he supposedly has made $300,000 in 30 days. He is recruiting new mentoring students as I speak. 

> I have reported this experience to the FTC several times, the attorney general and a few other resources.  My hope is eventually someone takes notice and investigates this."
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@stellabelle · (edited)
$0.17
thank you for posting this information. Someone like this does not belong in Steemit, clearly. We are a transparent group of people doing good things for society. This is not aligned with our core values. Good job helping us learn the truth about this guy's past. I like to believe people, but past actions usually tell the real story.
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@matttrainer · (edited)
You guys haven't even seen it yet and already calling it a scam. Don't like it?
 Don't play it. 

But watch the words you use. Libel is a real thing you know. Publicly concluding this is a scam when you don't know the first thing about it isn't very smart.

I'll happily make sure you aren't part of the game now. My team noted your name. You decide.
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@michaelx ·
Exactly what I have been saying to them.
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@jamesbrown ·
$4.31
I notice that you never mention any of his other claims against you such as the comment about doing jail time for mail fraud.

Do you deny that it happened?  Reputation (credibility) is a real thing, too.
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@whatsup ·
Doesn't take several hours to see it.  Instead of showing it, you decided to spew "human emotion" for the whole time you had their attention.  Took a break to call people names and ban them from the game.  Bad moves.
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@clevercreator ·
$0.18
A bunch of us were just talking about this today. A then a wild @clevercreator showed up (silly joke) -- but seriously, I am in the process of investigating because I do not want to see such a great community taken advantage of.
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@j3dy ·
$0.64
I was watching a video the other day, the gist of what I'm trying to say being, "A lie takes both people to work" so don't pitty someone, everyone who has a unreal perception of themselves can be manipulated, it's all smoke and mirrors, you want something, sure we can do it, we can own the world and make it better :) we sure will :D we only do good :) .. anyways words are used for both creation and destruction, and some people create their own destruction. I'm not sure what to think
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@j3dy ·
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_6vDLq64gE
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@lautenglye ·
nice....your post deserve my upvote and resteem....
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@chryspano ·
Where is the scam dude?
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@true-underground ·
$1.10
there is no scam people are just cynical assholes.
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@samupaha ·
Usually there is first hype and when people are pumped up, there is something really expensive to buy.
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@chryspano · (edited)
So far I see no scam, I can understand your concerns because all this may not sound "conventional/normal" and I have some reservations too, hype and something expensive doesn't make a scam, all crypto is a huge scam then.

[EDIT]
So far you did not post any proofs/explainations of the "scam"
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@swenger ·
$0.18
Thanks for the warning.  I saw this also, and even my newbie radar went wild.  Steemit may be new to me, but I've seen enough con games like this one to pick up on them pretty quickly.
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@donkeypong ·
$13.02
I wouldn't give money to these guys. Had high hopes for Murderistic/Michael-x in BitShares and then again here, but those ideas never seem to go anywhere. At the very least, he has very questionable judgment in picking the people he partners with on these things. No, thank you.
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@stellabelle ·
$3.39
Thanks for this info. Now, everyone tell the whales to remove their support for that trending article.
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@calamus056 ·
Doesn't feel great huh that we have to rely on a couple of rich guys and are completely powerless with 100s of us? Doesn't make any sense to make the bottom 99% completely powerless. Something needs to happen soon or SteemIt will never grow because people try it out and leave after a few weeks.
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@kyriacos ·
$0.34
I can't understand why most people can't see past these classic scams. One would imagine that eventually people get some skin in the game...
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@calamus056 · (edited)
If it looks too good to be true, it always is hehe. Except for SteemIt, sort of :p
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@mammasitta ·
Same reason why people vote for presidents like Turd.
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@stellabelle ·
$0.06
wish you could talk to Stan, he's currently blinded by diamond dust.
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@donkeypong ·
$8.15
I have a lot of respect for Stan. He must really believe these guys have something special. Perhaps he's right, but their history is not encouraging.
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@bytemaster ·
$0.13
I tried, failed after many attempts.
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@senor ·
Exactly. With a $10m pool prize? With what money.. monopoly? It's a joke!
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@clevercreator ·
$0.59
https://steemit.com/steemit/@clevercreator/matt-trainer-isn-t-selling-a-game

Here you go :)
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@thoughts-in-time ·
Something sketchy for sure "GoToWebinar Opener.exe". Pass!
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@teamsteem ·
I'll be looking at this closely and try to make a better idea of it.
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@stellabelle ·
$0.05
please help remove support from the trending article. this does not look good at all.
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@chrisx · (edited)
$0.19
well u might enjoy this @samupaha:
https://steemit.com/bitshares/@chrisx/mogul-the-usd10m-dollar-reality-game-on-steemit-have-you-listen-to-their-webinar
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@riosparada ·
$0.17
NO NO NO!!!! SCAMSTERS!!! FULL STEEM AHEAD!!!! πŸ‘
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@stellabelle ·
this post just flew past the scam one.....ha Steemit doesn't lie.
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@samupaha ·
$1.95
Blockchain ain't easy place for scammers. :)
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@stellabelle ·
thanks for all your information. I was late in getting to steemit so I appreciate the info
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@firepower ·
Thanks for putting this together!
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@allmonitors ·
this one is interesting, upvoted
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@j3dy ·
ha well I tend to wigh in towards the trust stan, but the developer's comments here don't bring any respect towards them, you have allegedly swindled people out of their money, pulling all the marketing leavers and pushing their buttons and instead of being a bit humble and holding a conversation, being at least a bit human, you act all arrogant, "well when we have the millions we just won't give any to you". So how is this different than the actions of any other "great" and "successful" individual, holding all their "secrets" never divulging anything, because well, your fuckups might show. I'm on to check the announcement on the 10mil game, and probably leave disappointed if i smell that scummy attitude.
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@j3dy ·
feel free to watch the video
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@liondani ·
Ok explain me now how it comes reputable members like @stan (Father of Daniel Larimer and HERO project founder)  to support them? 

https://steemit.com/introduceyourself/@matttrainer/steemit-based-reality-game-announced-usd10-million-prize-pool#@stan/re-matttrainer-steemit-based-reality-game-announced-usd10-million-prize-pool-20170604t183247885z
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@samupaha ·
$0.05
@stan seems to be very easily deceived by these kind of scammers. This is not the first time.

@stan is losing his reputation every time he openly supports projects like this.
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@shla-rafia ·
I tried remittio.com and its from stan, taggart and xeroc. It doesnt work and nobody replied to my support ticket since 2 weeks.
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@dantheman ·
$2.34
I just wanted you to know that I have also warned stan about these things and have been doing so for years.
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@vogard04 ·
Hello I'm new in steemit, I'm following you, so I read all the stuff I like, so I chose it. Unfortunately, my little voice is not worthy of you. I have tried to distract myself to see if I am getting a bit of a charm. Hmmm one shows $ 3.50 and one today has reached $ 9 maybe we need to understand our audience here. Look at them as consumers. What are they starving Maybe, I keep trying new corners.
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@grimboslice819 ·
Completely agree. Sounds like the a ponzi scheme.
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@fairbee ·
Thanks for your post. Even I too have made a post on scams a while ago..
[ Don't trust Fake games and Ponzi schemes ](https://steemit.com/steemit/@fairbee/dont-trust-fake-games-ponzi-schemes)
Take look at it
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@transisto ·
A while ago?
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@fairbee ·
can you be more specific on what are you trying to ask exactly...
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@anforo ·
Steemit based without Steem knowing lol
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@usammiismi ·
Thanks for warning us and doing some research. Its a very helpfull information.
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@lennstar ·
It certainly sounds like scam if he throws around wit millions. If that thing (whatever it is, now deleted in the post) really is so good, you don't need those examples of anonymous people, just show it.

By the way I have a text here I have written 2 years ago, just had not the time to use it. 
If you put in a few days of promotion on social networks, you will surely be a millionaire!!
Any interest? Just send 10'000 steem to me!
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@jubedube ·
Didn't get a chance to see the webinar live, but when I returned home later and saw their meeting, it flashed up to a screen saying "Earn 10,000 for a 2,300~ initial pay".

Looks identical to an MLM to me just from that one screen.  Sorry if you guys are legit, but this really gets my bells ringing.
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@pnc ·
I followed the webinar yesteday but did not really understand the value proposition. So many things mix together. Trying to find a link between them. I do believe Steem can be integrated into games and VR that anyone can play, but stilll can connect the dot. Did not understand the idea of paying 2400$.  It's good to follow it and see how it goes. Even if it's for educational purpose in the crypto space. Remember, Blockchain don't lie. The project can boost Bitshares if the announce KamarKoin is back by BTS, not Gold underground.  We are in the digital age and we have tool to own digital gold in bitshares. It's Called Smartcoin or MPA (bitGold, bitSilver, Hero, Bit20),  I prefer crypto that are being peg to Bitshares. To be follow!
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@arcange ·
$0.18
You have been mentionned in my hit-parade of 2017.06.04
Congratulations @samupaha!
Your post was mentioned in my [hit parade](https://steemit.com/hit-parade/@arcange/daily-hit-parade-20170604) in the following category:

* Pending payout - Ranked 4 with $ 809,57
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@cryptosif ·
I am so glad you post this, I wanted to do something like this to warn steem community, but you have done it beautifully. way way better than I could have ever done.
Thank you for this post.
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@cryptosif ·
$0.74
and I forgot to mention, I did attend the webinar last night that Matt Trainer held about this Mogul game, to get early access to it there is a 1 year mentorship program for $49,999. and if that's expensive for you then there is a second option for $9,999 (I have no idea what was included in that since I lost interest right after I saw $49,999) and than there was another option for $24,99. 
And after that I just exited the webinar. hahaha
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@lenadr ·
@cryptosif I did the same thing. SO pissed off that I lost almost two hours of my life to that.
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@thekyle ·
$0.73
I wrote an in-depth post about how strange the stuff in his companies docs is: https://steemit.com/scam/@thekyle/potential-scam-mogul-your-invisible-empire-in-depth-look
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@cryptoviking ·
What  I find a real shame, that he has already made over 1000 Steem from his post before the scam has even taken place. Guys I googled him after his post, assuming his "game" was a casino or gambling type thing but no, its a scam!
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@samupaha ·
He didn't make any money. The Steem community gave him enough downvotes to make his payout zero. It takes a week to get the payout and until that everybody else has a chance to downvote if there is need. This time everything went well, the scammer didn't make anything and lost his reputation because he got so many downvotes.
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@shenanigator ·
$0.83
I sent a few flags Matt Trainer's way last night.

<a href="http://imgur.com/L7kqegZ"><img src="http://i.imgur.com/L7kqegZl.png" title="source: imgur.com" /></a>
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@iot-corp ·
Wow I did see that.
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@itsooyah ·
Thank you for letting people know of this... I hate scammers and liars so f***ing much.
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@monkimo ·
Thanks for exposing them and this scheme.
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@cassidyandfranks ·
Good Looking Out @samupaha

You have been PROMOTED FREE for using the "warning" TAG (hashtag)

https://steemit.com/promoted/warning
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@mrssignificant ·
$0.13
https://steemit.com/news/@mrssignificant/fraud-or-reality
πŸ‘  ,
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@jackson182 ·
Thanks for the Info Bro!
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@denmarkguy ·
$0.13
It makes me very happy to see that the Steemit community rallied and pretty much "shut it down" within 24 hours of the post going up. The rewards went UP... and then slid back to zero. I just hope nobody was parted from their money based on the smoke and mirrors promises.
πŸ‘  
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@moataz ·
$0.13
I have said it before and I will say it again, if it sounds too good to be true then it probably is.

I've been in the internet marketing scene since 2009, I've watched a lot of scammers promise the world to uneducated people, and in many cases, these uneducated people bought in to the scam, sometimes spending a lot of money.

Anyways I'm glad that people like you point out these scammers, so well done!
πŸ‘  
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@carloserp2000 ·
Spectacular friend excellent post very good this information for the whole community congratulations @samupaha
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@buildpath ·
Why is it that everywhere I see the name matt trainer, I also see a discussion like this?  Always something was fishy. What an "internet marketing super hero"
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@lifeinspired ·
Whoa, that’s a trip! πŸ‘€πŸ˜³
<a href="https://steemit.com/@lifeinspired" rel="Let's be friends!">![Lets-be-friends.gif](https://steemitimages.com/DQmWAB7WCFXNkXBJtPPNwtyNqXKkpoDT6Kx8ZHopMvoJV4x/Lets-be-friends.gif)</a>
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