MONEY CANNOT REPLACE INTEGRITY: Why I Still Vote According To My Inner Compass Instead of Max ROI by stellabelle

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MONEY CANNOT REPLACE INTEGRITY: Why I Still Vote According To My Inner Compass Instead of Max ROI
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@eduter ·
indeed you gain my respects.
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@rival ·
Thank you, I guess we all get attracted in the beginning for the $. but I learned along the way that reputation, honesty and transparancy are key.. one day we will all know that.. and yes I did also things I don't do anymore.. anyway if you admit you can learn..
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@arjane ·
Thats very true !! For now you need to pay for your post to be upvoted
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@kiligirl ·
$0.02
Thanks for writing this, @stellabelle. It's wonderful to see someone remind the Steemit community about integrity and reputation.
👍  
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@pjcswart ·
I agree!!
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@kiligirl ·
😊😊
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@vlemon ·
Great post and I often ask myself the same questions.
Nevertheless humans will always Ben humans and most of them will try to maximize their return. Let's be honest, most of us are selfish in some ways.
Therefore, Steemit needs to adapt its way of rewarding the community in another way.
I use bots like most of Steemians but I believe they are killing the spirit of the platform...
I wish they would close them down and reward more curators or people that allow their time to comment/interact because this is what Steemit is ALL ABOUT! 
Take care @stelabelle.
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@khalilahmad ·
Well done , I  heard that money is honey , nowadays money is everything , you can buy even love by money . Or if you can not  buy love, but you buy the things that you love it .
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@stellabelle ·
I think you missed my point. If your integrity is intact, you can rebuild your wealth....
But if you fuck up your integrity, and lose your money, you cannot rebuild your wealth.
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@thedamus ·
You need some better philosophy man...
👍  
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@khalilahmad ·
Thank you 😊
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@greatvideos ·
It's sad to see that whales are selling their upvotes 
But it truly shows somehow that steemit.com has a few flaws 
I hope something will change in the future so selling upvotes won't be allowed here 
But I don't know what to say because as I know if you Invest heavily in steemit.com then you kind of get the right to do whatever you want with your Steem Power 
But normally this platform is about blogging earning by posting,  commenting and curating good content
Thank you very much for Posting 
Much love
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@josephlwiess ·
$0.02
In my opinion, this is what the blockchain is about.  Helping others, even as you help yourself.  That's why I hate bots.  There's no "human" interaction with them, it's just "upvote this, upvote that," but there's no feeling behind it.
I want to vote for what I believe in and for people who can bring great content.
👍  
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@pjcswart ·
yes!!!
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@fr3world ·
$3.76
you finally speak out what i had in mind for some days now, really appreciate this post👍
👍  ,
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@josediccus ·
Hi @stellabelle, i feel this is based on personality, @snowflake is entitled to what he want, and nobody including me, can judge him. 

One can not be a bussiness man and still mantain reputation and the masses love, whatever he chooses he is entitled to it, although its true that where he is, is as a result of the upvotes of people, however whales are ontop of the food chain. They choose who tell want to upvote and do what they want with their SP that is why i feel @surpassinggoogle is a not just a whale, you should know that too.

If you call the whales attention they will still stress out what i have deduced, he has a right, and this rights should be respected by even minnows.
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@apsu ·
We all are allowed to judge. You can't take away that right from us.

And someone can be both a business man and still have a good reputation and be loved. You can't choose to be loved or respected though, as it is to be earned.
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@josediccus ·
Its difficult m friend one cant eat his or her cake and have it.

Besides we cant judge when we ourselves aren't saints
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@magnata ·
Thank you. More like you. You have to understand that if newcomers are not encouraged for good posts, people will start to leave.
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@tremendospercy ·
Thanks for your integrity and honesty. There are some worrying trends appearing in recent months with greed rearing its ugly head more and more often, I guess it's human nature but it saddens me to see it here.
Let's hope you can have some productive conversations.
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@overkillcoin · (edited)
$8.29
<sub>Edited comment:</sub>

Wow, that's *(concerning to me)*. *(I would like to see a higher)* regard for the creators who are working hard to bring Steemit to the next level! 

*(In order for a healthier platform with solid future success, I'd like to see some restraint with this type of voting)*
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@stellabelle ·
$0.27
glad you responded with disgust, because that was my initial gut reaction too. We are both artists at heart, and I often wonder if we operate differently than most people. I have a healthy appetite for self-preservation, competition and perfection, which does result in rewards, but this level of greed that was displayed, I do wonder: how many whales operate like this? Is it the majority? Do they think that it's going to make Steem more valuable moving forward?
I am at a loss, because I didn't know that the ROI was that extreme for the bot vote buying...
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@overkillcoin · (edited)
$1.77
Additionally, their article is a great way to discourage new investors in Steem, new users from joining and current authors. If I was an outsider and this post was the first thing I saw when I visited Steemit, I'd turn around and never look back. :-/ It's potentially an embarrassment that will fuel the fires of mockers and naysayers.

I understand monetary ambitions too, but what's the sense in grabbing all one can in the short term when Steem has so much potential. It's plain short-sighted. The healthier this platform is now, the better off **everyone** will be in the future, *especially* large holders of SP...
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@snowflake ·
$1.01
@stellabelle Before going around trying to make me look bad you should have realized that my post is a wake up call. I offered a solution which is meant to improve the current situation. 
Why do you think I'm calling out the system that I profit from?
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@taimoorahmad ·
$0.26
Yeah it's disgusting, but people join steemit to earn by their own means. But they are not getting what they or their blog worth so they use bots for that.
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@taskmaster4450 ·
$0.27
That is true @overkillcoin, it might.

However, I am optimistic enough to believe that this is the extreme minority.  I know there are a number of people on here with big VP who are helping all they can.  

There simply are some people who look at things from the viewpoint of getting all they can while others have the approach "what can I bring". 

In the end, I have faith in the later group.
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@overkillcoin ·
I hope you're right, @taskmaster4450, I tend to think you are... I suppose I'm passionate about this because I see good people falling away from Steemit fairly regularly. They've told me that it's too hard to keep going, and they've cited circular voting as one of the main reasons they feel shut out. 

I think very few of us are making a living from Steemit, and all our efforts aren't going to be rewarded for many months, possibly years. Whales obviously can and will do whatever they want with their VP, but it's chilling to see admission of undervalued posts and then a cold, "**** you, creators" attitude.
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@bashadow ·
$0.07
I am not sure I would use the word *" disgusting"*.  He was being *"Honest"* with the users of steemit on how and why he votes the way he does. I don't think there is such a thing as *"Disgusting Honesty"*. He obviously has a huge amount  of respect for the creators of content. I would bet along with the dollar amount of those post, that the number of views,*(prior)* to him pointing them out was very low also. So while he may have not upvoted the post due to his own financial considerations he did **Reward** them immensely by bring so much attention to them. *(I have not looked or checked to see if that did happen or not)*
At first read it is easy to see your point of view of what he said. However on a second read, and reading the clarification comments he made to a few commenters, you may become a little less disgusted, and a little bit more understanding. I view it at a cautionary tale; be careful of where you travel, lest you become like me and sell your soul.
I do appreciate your comment, it helped me to see a little more into  @snowflake 's post.
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@overkillcoin ·
I rephrased my original comment, not to bury it so much as to simmer things down a bit... Thanks @bashadow
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@raised2b ·
$2.09
I'm going to link to [my previous comment](https://steemit.com/deathspiral/@stellabelle/is-steemit-in-an-economic-and-social-suicide-death-spiral#@raised2b/re-stellabelle-is-steemit-in-an-economic-and-social-suicide-death-spiral-20171106t024628621z) on your other post because it's particularly relevant here as well but very long.

The fact of the matter is that you get what you incentivise. Clearly we are seeing exactly what is being incenitivsed by the Steem blockchain at this point in time.

Good or bad, it will be what it is until the current incentives are changed.

The good news is that it is a living system and we all get to play a part in shaping it's future. So when we see something like this that doesn't align with our vision of how we'd like the system to operate we can have these great conversations and make the suggestions that can ultimately take us where we want to go.
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@sacred-agent ·
Excellent comments @Raised2B !!

Thank You StellaBelle 4 bringing these issues up & posting about them... This is the 1st step to going in a better direction.

Cheers !!
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@bix ·
$0.26
The only problem is that if the system is designed to mostly rely on people's integrity and honesty, it is very unfortunately a broken system from the very beginning. 

A good system is one that enforces honesty and integrity or at least encourages it. The systems based solely on trust and discretion of it's members do not survive much in our society or in our species for that matter, unfortunately.

Pareto principle works here too actually (20% / 80%)

It is very good that you brought up this subject. Maybe someone would listen to you. But i saw it right away, a system where your votes and power can be bought, sold, rented (delegated) and so on is a corrupt system. As they say if "you build it, they will come". If the system allows for abuse there will be always those who will exploit it to the fullest. So it is the system design that should be thought through to the core to close those loopholes.

The moral issue still remains, but unfortunately on a large scale it is more academic until the system is fundamentally fixed.
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@reddragonfly ·
$4.12
Brilliant, and totally on the money. No pun intended.

It just goes to show that there are two schools of thought here... which is a realization I have slowly been coming to. There are those who see Steemit merely as a giant cash dispenser, and those who see it as a social content platform. You and I happen to be part of the latter...

All that stuff aside though... communities are built by PEOPLE, not by code or bots. 

Let's think about that, for a moment. THAT also means that the whales who are into "maximizing their ROI" are also directly sending their *long term prospects* down the toilet. Why? Because Steemit will never become more than a small niche venue if it's dominated by automation rather than human generated content... which means it will NOT become "the Facebook killer," which in turn means the long term value of the Steem token will be lower than on a site that was organically people driven.

Implication: For the whales who are "cash now" focused... you may earn your $1000 a week NOW, but watch your $800,000 holdings decline 3-4% a month till Steem is worth... about as much as Dogecoin.
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@stellabelle ·
My exact thoughts:

> you may earn your $1000 a week NOW, but watch your $800,000 holdings decline 3-4% a month till Steem is worth... about as much as Dogecoin.

You are very well articulated on this matter. I appreciate your insights.
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@irreverent-dan · (edited)
Very well said @reddragonfly!
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@cwen ·
$0.08
Exactly my thoughts on this issue. The value of steem would so drop drastically if this type of issues are dominating. The main reason most people come onboard steemit is the fairness being preached "get rewards for your post". Its discouraging for us minnows to be compelled to use bots to get attention or rewards after going weeks without votes it leaves us little or no choice but then to know these bots are fuelled by greed of some whales is so annoying. Steemit active users are few for this reason : the few rich keeps accumulating money greedily here forgetting this is a social media platform if majority  feel sad or cheated the steemit vibe wanes and no new investment comes in and the price of steem crashes what then is the gain?
 Please someone give us a better solution then the greedy suggestions of @snowflake.
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@teknow · (edited)
You are not realizing one thing though.
Steemit was recently made it's own entity.
For the purpose of moving forward with SMTs.
Your post is admirable and would have made sense before the re-branding. However the game has changed dramatically now. Steemit Inc. have realized that the STEEM blockchain and the token is the real value. Not the steemit community. It's hard to swallow for those that are here thinking they found utopia, but truth is truth.

From an investor's perspective, the fact that they have realized the power of their blockchain and token is actually a good thing. If the token remained tied to this platform it would have kept going down. The SMT model now actually gives it new found freedom and possibility. If they roll it out right and successfully sell it to other platforms, the price of the STEEM token will see good growth. I'm not about to throw a lot of money at it but I am doing much research and watching progress closely.

You are right in thinking that there is value in the token existing below $1.00. You are wrong in assuming steemit determines it's future. In all honesty, people should start to see that steemit.com was more or less a test (hence beta). One which will continue to be managed and improved, but it certainly won't be the platform that takes on Facebook and such. Or the perfect alternative. It should be quite clear: You got to pay to win around here.

The blockchain/token phenomena is barely in it's infancy. 
The future will give rise to many new platforms. It already is. Appics for instance, has a very noble vision. Indahash, another that (although broken) aims to set the new standard. In time, the place that you describe, and that which is admirably longed for in stellabelle's post - where the BEAST known as GREED is kept safely at the gates - will probably become a reality. That does not yet exist though.

BUT, this is just my opinion. Anyone wanting to reach their own conclusion should do some research. There's always more to a story than what greets you on the surface. Informing yourself is very valuable.
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@stellabelle ·
great insight. I would be happy if something really cool was built. I am not picky....as long as my steem investment is not a waste.
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@bix ·
$0.27
Oh, and I'd like to quote a saying that i like and it resonated with all the points that you brought up:

"The time that we spend not improving someone's life is time wasted."

Happy Steeming everyone, with integrity of course.
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@dajohns1420 ·
Maybe bring back 50/50 payouts? It sounds shitty but it would help lose the incentive to buy and sell votes. It would offer more incentive for people to vote no matter their sp.
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@stellabelle ·
yeah, that's a good idea.....I am sure there are some caveats....but it's worth looking into.
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@knircky ·
curation is fundamentally flawed and a key design issue of steemt. At this point i think this in combination with wealth distribution is be biggest problem of steem.

Curation can be solved. Just pay curation reward on activity. and now people will vote for what they like. it may still allow you to sell votes but there is not as much of an incentive any more as there is today.

The wealth distribution could also be solved via dilution long term and by steem just delegating their wealth a bit more aggressively short term.
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@taskmaster4450 ·
>Just pay curation reward on activity. and now people will vote for what they like.

This make a whole lot of sense.  It really doesnt make sense to have curation based upon the power of "who am I following".  I guess the intention is to find quality content and be early to upvote it...but how many are doing that...especially those with a lot of SP?

And wouldnt short term aggressive delegation dilute steem more in that time frame too?
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@knircky ·
And thank you by voting the way u want and not the way you wallet wants you too.

I too have refused to use any sort of bots etc, although i am even poorer than you are hahaha.

I wonder how i would vote if i had a few million steem.
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@stellabelle ·
well, i use a hybrid approach, as I have a bot that I programmed....I don't sell my SP to bots that others have created.....
And i was transparent in admitting that I upvote comments and unknown authors because the ROI is higher.
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@knircky ·
i have been staying away from bots and make an effort every day to vote manually. i do look at roi and like to upvote the little guys that do not have much votes and I also focus on folks that interact with me as well as my own post.

i just hope the curation gets overhauled. imagine if folks would just get money to show up, vote comment and post. I think curation needs to become a simple reward system.
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@maverickinvictus · (edited)
$3.59
Honestly I am confused on how I feel. I know it felt like a punch in the gut. I know that the negative ramblings of some people that I did not agree with turns out to be true and left me with a bad taste in my mouth. 

Yet the logic behind it is sound. The reason for him is right for him. 

A couple weeks back I was feeling a bit down because I was writing content which I believed were good. Not the best but in my writing experience I thought it conveyed my feelings, my thoughts and give people a glimpse of my soul. Yet I was not getting a lot of traffic or comments. I was feeling down and then I come across posts that are just normal selfies or at times fluff articles. Then this was making 5- 20 dollars. So there I was thinking there is something broken in the system but being less than a month I could not pinpoint the problem. We don't want a robot colony yet to replace the citizens.

That post was a Eureka moment for me but also in a way disillusioned me. If I can describe it, I would say it would be at the level of finally realizing that Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy does not exist. 

Not trying to be melodramatic but I am disillusioned. My mind is troubled. 

I have to be thankful to you for giving your sides on how you think. It gives me hope that this can still be saved. That a solution is possible. How you go through it with integrity and passion. Hope for Steemit is alive as long as you are here and supporting good content.

I wish that I will be fine.
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@stellabelle ·
this might help you: it more important to create friendships and connect to those who will ultimately bring about more success to you. Being authentic while connecting is a key..
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@maverickinvictus · (edited)
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Experience is the best teacher and I learned it was better to have an authentic and organic relationship with like minded people who gets me. 

My first week I followed and upVoted everyone that would leave a message and as that I upVote them as well. 

Seems a pretty easy way to earn and  get more followers but to connect but it there was a certain feeling doom.

I learned that these kinds of relationships is an easy way to you to know more people. It became a numbers game instead of quality.

I have removed quite a number of people from my list and have concentrated on posts that I live, build relationships and be happy for they joy and melancholy in their sadness.
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@optimistdehinde ·
Well said dear. Just be friendly with everybody and in that way you will know those that are for you in good faith and those that are spamming you. Friendship is key in everything.
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@aboutyourbiz ·
Your strategy is sound, both short and long term. 

The selling upvotes strategy is at best short sighted.  This kind of activity can make more money now, but what happens when there is more competition with steemit? There are already people complaining about bots and there is a large attrition rate.

Is this the strategy of someone in it for short term gain or for the long haul? Kinda a variation on pump and dump?
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@japfive · (edited)
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Like seriously i will forever remain great full to you @stellballe. I remember when i nock  on a  door of this particular whale asking  for his upvote it's really a bad experience to me, not until i saw a  post you made (saying about good communication and relationships is more batter than an upvote )  my mental change and i have to improve on my own quality contains too. Thank for always having minnow in mind @stellballe i will also stand up for you😇🙏🙌  the only i celebrate a whale is by resteem post. This post is resteem @japfive
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@stellabelle ·
thanks, I appreciate you telling me about how i have helped you. I'm glad it has helped in the long term game.
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@japfive ·
Oh yeah infact you don't really know what you mean to me. @stellballe and @dragonslayer you both will  surely have my support of all time, you made steemit more meaningful to me. High 5🙋 for ur upvote
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@optimistdehinde · (edited)
@stellabelle. I think some people are just greedy and only think of themselves. The earlier people starts to see this whole scenario as our thing and not their thing then will the platform grow to that level we want it to be.
It's a mind set issue.
Thanks for always speaking frankly all the time.
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@jockey · (edited)
Excellent! UPvoted and resteemed with pleasure!  What a good team player you are!  I agree wholeheartedly with your perspective but I know that human nature can sometimes be fickle!  Our actions are all we really have control over... get on with being the person you want to be!  Loving your style!  😉   [Updated] Added this to my bookmarks of great Steemit posts... Steem on! =)
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@greenrun ·
$0.02
It pays to be good. Money is not everything. I like that you follow your heart. People may say it makes no economic sense to do that. But not everything should be about money. The people and money should be different. Not everything should be ruled by money. If you allow everything to be determined by money, it makes one almost robotic in how they behave. Would it give more money? No. Jump it. Would it give more money? Yes. Do it. That makes people the puppet dancing and moving around controlled by a puppeteer (money). But I guess that's how capitalism is built.
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@stellabelle ·
yeah, i like the way you have worded this. Your responses always seem to come from a deep place, and I appreciate that. I decided this year I would get rid of my bot, and upvote organically.....and just look at my curation rewards as a residual of my interacting, like a nice surplus, that's it. I set up a different account, and a bot so that I would not miss any posts from my growing list of authors. I cannot keep up, and my bot for umami ensures that I never miss a post....it's a small upvote now, but it will grow, and keep supporting people who i feel have the PROOF OF PERSON attribute.
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@greenrun ·
$0.02
Organic voting seems to be more efficient as bots upvotes everything in their line of command. I do see umami upvotes. I've always wondered if the name is same as Japanese for savoriness. Thanks a lot. You've been very kind.
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@pjcswart ·
What does proof of person mean, I'm not familiar with that term but it sounds really interesting.
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@pjcswart ·
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Yeah I guess capitalism is like a system that we have to take advantage of.
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@greenrun ·
$0.02
@pjcswart, I think it means the capability of a person to do things. I may be wrong but that is how I see it.
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@apsu ·
I appreciate you more and more not as a whale, but as a person.

Greed might lead into a sad end, the worst thing for Steem is that people will start truly only run after payouts instead of creating a stable community.
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@taimoorahmad ·
When I join I was like why should I vote or cmnt on a blog, whomever written this post has a repo below 60. By the time passes I learned that vote or appreciate that blog which has something original.
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@bescouted ·
$4.11
I guess some whales have one thing wrong if they bought steem in hope of earning from upvoting.
Scenario one: Whale bought 500 000 Steem. Steem price is 1 USD. One full upvote 50 USD. They are making 10 full votes a day. They get 125 USD from curation rewards. They make 45k a year from curation. Since they voted other whales or rented it for upvote bots the whole ecosystem does not grow and steem price dropped to 0.75 Value of their assets at the end of the year 545 000 steem = 408 000.

Scenario two: Whale bought 500 000 Steem. Steem price is 1 USD. One full upvote 50 USD. They are making 10 full votes a day. They get 125 USD from curation rewards. They make 45k a year from curation. Since they find time and spend it curating quality content, new talented contributors come to the platform and they bring new people with them, platform grows, demand for steem is increasing. Price rises to 1.25 x 545 000 = 681 250

While there are different other scenarios but this is just to illustrate how everybody would benefit from keeping ecosystem healthy and profitable for everybody.
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@stellabelle ·
$0.06
there seems to be a huge lack of understanding about how to create value on a social network...
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@bescouted ·
Exactly. Because noone comes and tells everybody like some dude came to facebook and told everybody how to do it. This is decentralised platform with no leader that act to a loose set of rules and try to play a system finally all they play is themselves. Decentralised blockchain is good - decentralised platform with loose rules not that much it seems. 

On the other hand if they had time and conditions to distribute tokens more evenly majority of the problems would be absent. Like EOS are doing their token distribution for a whole year to give everybody a chance to get some. While on steemit too many tokens are concentrated in too few hands why the system fails. 

Some are talking about democracy while this is being more of oligarchy. So no wonder that a platform built and suited to work on democratic and liberal setting is failing due to oligarchy power distribution.
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@pjcswart ·
Thanks for treating us like adults @stellabelle!
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@taskmaster4450 ·
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I think Apple and others proved how valuable a healthy and growing ecosystem is.  

I like you how present these scenarios which spell out the difference in viewpoints I alluded to above.  For me, this place is the answer to a lot of injustice that takes place in the world.  There are 2B Facebook users (so they claim) who are basically paid nothing for their efforts.  The steem blockchain is the first opportunity to get people paid for what they do.  That said, it isnt about "gaming" the system so one maximizes his/her profit.  Rather, it is about contributing via upvoting, posting, and commenting in an effort to have the entire entity grow.
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@bescouted ·
$0.03
You see the only way to truly maximise the profit is increasing the price/value of unit. Billion tokens with no value is much less valuable than thousand tokens with a value of 1. And that is where most people fail to see the point.
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@paulag ·
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@bescouted ·
People at the top who build the very Steem blockchain do. I can not tell why those guys who invest heavily do it. Maybe they just do not have time to curate manually. So they just rent it out to bots to keep it spinning.
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@stellabelle ·
well, let's get them (or us) to the top.
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@resteemhorizon ·
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@originalworks ·
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@thedamus · (edited)
$3.83
Another great post on-topic of what people are thinking about 'round here. I'm with you @stellabelle -- i drop my little dolphin hammers on good content and on the people that support me. I easily give away 3x as much as i take via upvoting. Yes i upvote myself -- but i upvote others more!

It is sad that people's greed is more important to them than their integrity and option to really found something good. In this way Steemit is like a microcosm of the world writ large. It may be broken, but it's all we got. 
The ironic thing is that this greed flaw could ultimately impact the dark whales the most...

~i'm gonna' get back to snoozing with my baby boy on my chest and listen to the rest of this Willie Nelson album :)

Lead(ing) by example stellabelle! It's all one can do
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@thedamus ·
Thank you.

I'm resteeming this out so more people can consider who the fuck they wanna be in this life.
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@stellabelle ·
$0.29
ha ha, that sentence was funny.
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@kryptocoin · (edited)
$0.99
There she goes again!, hitting the nail by the head, If every body looks at steemit the way you do, Steem blockchain will pick up more Value in every sense of the word. Our integrity is our wealth, our esteem is our humanity and our reputation keeps us flying and growing together!. It is not by how "much" but how "best" we affect people. Keep the flag of integrity and reputation flying!. Thank you @stellabelle
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@josephsavage ·
$0.25
I see it as a difference between short term and long term thinking. Yes, you can make more delegating your Steem to bots and raking in those curation rewards, but that's all in the short term.

Long term, there is a lot more money to be made from the appreciation of Steem value. And what will make that happen? We need lots of new users, more positive experiences:  people who stick around, maybe make a little money, and then decide to invest in a little Steem power to upvote the content they care about. 

As I look around, I think there is more focus on the short term than long term. Maybe it's because I'm new and the long term thinkers are busy with Steemfest, but I don't know.
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@stellabelle ·
$0.03
good insight....i agree with short and long term thinking disparity.
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@josephsavage ·
Thanks, @stellabelle. I know you are very busy and I appreciate your response.
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@whatsup · (edited)
$3.22
I think snowflakes post was meant to make the point that doing the right thing on SteemIt doesn't pay off.

I don't use any bots, never have.  If I vote for it, I read it.  

If I find an article I like I upvote it regardless of timing.

I try to avoid voting for trending authors.

I vote for comments and lift up minnows.

Nobody cares.  More and more often I consider signing up for bots, participate less and earn more... Why not?
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@bescouted ·
$0.22
Because of being shortsighted. They will not earn more. Yes they will have more steem tokens maybe that will be worth shit.
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@stellabelle ·
$0.35
I use a hybrid approach: I programmed @personz Fossbot voter and i put authors I like on that list. I don't make much SP from that bot, but I can reward everyone.....
Then on my Stella account i curate organically...
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@winstonalden ·
This is interesting. I've been using Streemian to auto-vote on a few favorites, just because I know I may go a day or two offline before I see their posts. But it's not for any kind of ROI. It's because I want them to know they have my (very modest) support. 

Now if I'd poured a huge investment into Steem, rather than earning every coin by posting and interacting, maybe I'd feel differently. But I doubt it. Mostly I want to reward the creators I enjoy, because I want to come back to a place that's full of great stuff to read.
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@eturnerx · (edited)
$0.25
I divide my SP about half half between immediate ROI and long term community building (incl. Curation). That sounds annoying, but I do have to make a living too and so if I didn't have income opportunities I'd put that ROI half into stocks or something else.
I don't use autovoting on my main account but i can understand why people do. And I try focus my voting towards minnows where a few cents is actually a helpful morale booster. I'll take a lower immeduate ROI on this aspect of my steem activity in exchange for long-term growth.
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@aaronmcheong ·
$0.22
@whatsup

> I think snowflakes post was meant to make the point that doing the right thing on SteemIt doesn't pay off.

This is true. Doing the right thing does **NOTHING** except reflecting on one's integrity. If you're poor, you can't feed yourself with integrity. Likewise, if you're wealthy without integrity, your wealth becomes unsustainable.

To act according to one's moral compass and make a living out of it is a fine line to thread on, but certainly not impossible. If one chooses to give up, then is it okay for the world to give up on that one person too?
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@whatsup ·
I didn't know the world could make that type of decision.  We all have a choice where to put our energy.  Everyone's choices are different.
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@taskmaster4450 ·
I am far from a whale but I gave you a 100% upvote on this.

You nailed it @stellabelle.  There is no other way to describe it.  I had to re-steem it.

The value of steem, hence the value of the steem accounts WILL rise.  That is a guarantee.  There is so much money entering the crypto world over the next year PLUS a ton of development on this blockchain.  We are going to see far higher prices than we are at today (we might go lower first, I am not saying that wont happen).

We are all responsible for those who come behind us.  When one is looking at this from an ROI perspective, that is missing the point.  One's ROI is much better increased at getting a follower who you upvote and help to build his/her reputation who repeatedly upvotes you.  Sure, it might take a year for this person to get to that point but do that with 20 or 30 people.  Suddenly those 6 STEEM appear rather minor.

It is the give a man to fish versus teaching him idea.

Give a minnow some upvotes and you might, soon, have a dolphin following you.
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@happyme ·
$0.23
I find it frustrating and kind of incredible that people who have the most to lose if this platform tanks, still cannot see the writing on the wall. These auto-vote bots are killing the platform and taking down **their** profits! Thankfully there seems to be a slow-growing movement afoot to stop using these bots. I have said it before and will say it again: Remove your votes from those witnesses who promote the use of bot votes. If change is going to happen, it must start from the top. Use YOUR vote to influence their decisions. Let's give this movement some momentum! Let's all push together to make change happen. Don't just complain about it... DO something about it. Don't allow the goose that lays golden eggs to be slaughtered.
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@jayna ·
I’m with you. If it’s money vs. integrity, I will go with the latter. But this is is just really sad. It is like the novel, The Lord of the Flies, came to life. Without any code of honor, it’s just every man for himself. It makes me re-evaluate my involvement.
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@suesa ·
$7.09
I think it's really sad to sell your votes... because if someone has a certain reputation, whoever they vote on is basically given a "stamp of approval". If the vote was sold to a spammer, that approval can have devastating effects.

My vote isn't big (although bigger than that of many) but I refuse to sell it specifically because I want to know who I upvote and only upvote people who put effort in their posts. This, and only this, helps steemit to grow.

How is this platform supposed to grow if nobody takes it serious?

A whale might earn some additional money by selling votes instead of upvoting content that deserves it but if the platform goes down, they will lose everything.

I wonder if they really think that's worth it ...
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@rabeel ·
agreed with you, if every one specially whales thinking like this then after some time that form breakdown very quickly so the seniors should think about that.
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@bescouted ·
You are very right. I think they do not think as they probably have much more important matters to attend. And steemit for them is just a game, though a wise enterpreneur should see to his investment and now it is happening just in the opposite :)
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@stellabelle ·
$0.06
please clone yourself. thanks.
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@suesa ·
I'm trying :P
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@steevc · (edited)
We've already found we agree on this. I don't care much what I make from curation. I'll look at delegating to more people, for free, so my sp gets used well. We can see what the whales have done so far. I try not to do things I'll be ashamed of later. Can't say I'm always successful :)
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@bescouted ·
@Stevec i believe you know of @bescouted.com already. If you approve what we do, we accept delegations.
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@steevc ·
$0.03
I see you have quite a lot already. I'm looking to delegate to minnows so they can feel they are doing more
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@reddust · (edited)
$0.54
I think this type of behavior will break steemit. This has been my fear since I joined steemit and could see the bot, large accounts, and popularity patterns to their logical end. I don't have any solutions except maybe voting power shouldn't be weighted on size of the account. People who have large accounts may or may not be wise regarding how to exercise their power. I think maybe voting should be weighted on ones reputation, something you can't buy but must earn. Good post @stellabelle.

Edit, I've been painting all day and my language skills go out the door...blah, blah, blah lolol

<h1>Also this is bad business sense, ignoring or profiting from short term greedy behavior that will kill this platform will color all of the Steemit.inc other projects. How will investors in Steemit.inc trust the company bringing in long term profit? Trust will be lost...</h1>
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@bescouted ·
Solution wil be SMT's and split up to smaller communities with more fair token distribution and rules adjusted in accordance with lessons learned from failure of steemit.
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@reddust ·
@bescouted, I've read about this, I need to read some more before I can make any logical comments. I will do a search and pull up more articles explaining the system. Thanks for the heads-up!
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@taskmaster4450 ·
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You are right...people are too into the quick return and the fast money.

It takes time to develop a platform such as this.  We are at the early stages of a very long transition away from the siloed internet to one where people freely enjoy the rewards of their efforts/contributions.  Perhaps I take too much of a "philosophical" view on this but I am firm in this believe.  We are starting the process of a radical shift.  

Mindsets like the one pointed out in the post are the only thing that can derail it.  Is this any different than how Zuckerberg views the world...he is out to get for him (although I will say he does at least bring some long term view to the table unlike the poster this article refers to).

In the end, we are the only ones who can botch this thing up.
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@reddust ·
$0.02
People like me that are afraid to speak up because they will be ignored by whales should speak up. Maybe join healthy groups that bring a bit of protection from the whales. I spoke about this in the past and most of my rewards disappeared.
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@dubem-eu ·
Hi @stellabelle
Quite revealing post. If such trend continues in steemit unabated, then the future is bleak as quality content will cease to exist. The effort of you and few other curators here are always appreciated though the appreciations are not in mony but good name has always been better than silver and gold. Thanks
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@talltim ·
$1.55
Like I posted in the referenced thread, I'm going to re-evaluate why I'm here.

Probably by reducing my frequency of posting original content. I thought I'd be noticed by the upper tiers for my efforts. 

I was wrong.

Appreciate the posts, it has enlightened me to why Steemit will fail.

Better learn it now than stick around for a year and get a reality check later. Assuming that the platform is still active, of course.
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@stellabelle ·
$0.38
Actually, you are wrong and I will tell you why:

Most of what you see today is because we had fights and disagreements and discussions. Not all, but a lot. When i started on here, there was no mute button.
A stalker was on here, and we fought to get a mute button. This is how it works on this kind of platform. In early days, big discussions by users would result in changes to the code, as long as the community was all in consensus, for the most part. It's up to us to change things, and it is possible.....as long as decent people stay here. When the creators of culture leave, then it becomes more like a wasteland....I still think the experiment can work...as long as we try to make it better.
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@talltim ·
I'm not a whale, I'm collateral damage.

So while everyone decides whether or not to be greedy or create, I'll just scale back.

Its okay, the bots will keep the whales company.
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@ocrdu ·
Unless... the power base of those only interested in short-term profit and voting-for-reward becomes large enough to be able to squash any grass-roots movement to change things. The rule-set implemented in Steemit at the moment seems to enhance concentration of wealth and therefore power with a few, and not necessarily a few who have the long-term interests of Steemit in mind.

But I still hope you're right.
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@anomiej · (edited)
$0.03
we can still change the way things are, nothing is set in stone except the past. Steemit has made much more radical changes than what snowflake proposed to fix the situation
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@talltim ·
I'll be watching for productive changes.

Until then, I'm scaling back.
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@tommycordero ·
Why would anyone buy Steem Dollars or Steem when they can just buy a vote to get seen? It devalues the whole thing.
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@gloglo ·
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Well it obviously shows that some people mentality about steemit is different. I see this act as just take and take and never give for love. I mean, this line of thought or action does not promote or give the right conduct about what steemit is all about. 

In my [previous post](https://steemit.com/promo-steem/@gloglo/blogging-as-a-steemian-can-only-get-better-the-steemit-future-starts-now) I mentioned why whales should give their votes to quality contents, it  is through quality content that we add value to steem. 

What if steemit losses its quality content bloggers because they are discouraged for not rewarded duly how then would this platform function and how would we change the world through the value of steem.

I just hope we don't get to have more people who do not have insight and passion for this platform but only come strictly for what they can take from it. I know there are people who still do the right thing, lets change the world through steemit.
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@alamin0263 ·
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I can share a story.. i joined one of my friends on steemit.. he was posting and earning 1-2 cents.. and losing interest on it.. then after 5 days one steemitwhale voted him and gifted 27$.. and his reputation score gone to 45. that vote made his day.. he got confidence to work on stemmit.. he got a belief that if he maintain quality, he must be rewarded.. after that day he is working regularly on steemit.. this the way how steemitwhale can make an influence to grow this community bigger and bigger and more people can be connected on it. #happysteemiting
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@methusaleh ·
So true the system is broken... radical change is needed but maybe steemit is a microcosm of the financial system at large... in which case the minnows will always be screwed 😐
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@princeso ·
Wow, first I want to commend you for such genuine and encouraging questions you posed and which formed the basis of you action, principle and the way you use your energy and power. The world will be a better and sweet place if people promote good and quality content, rather than being selfish and inconsiderate.
Coming to your question, if I were the one whose post was not upvoted due to such reason. Especially making such comment again, I will feel quite bad and consider steemit an unfair system of reward, that continue to favour just the whales with complete disregard for the newbies. 

Thanks so much for sharing this truth with fear or favour. I remain your humble fan @stellabelle.
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@steemmatt · (edited)
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You know my thoughts already from my reply to @snowflake's original post, but I've resteemed this, the original post, and your death spiral post as what I can do for now so this reaches my followers.  

Thanks for taking immediate action!! 

It's exciting to see so many people have the opportunity and confidence to speak up on **YOUR** platform.  

# THAT is TRUE Steem Power.
#
Conspiracy theory: maybe he was posting that as a martyr to spark change?  It's the only thing I can think of!
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@irreverent-dan ·
I am supporting your conspiracy theory :)
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@stellabelle ·
OH I definitely think he was! And I was a bit overreacting when I went into my spiral about integrity...but i do believe it! Anyway, i am so happy he did write that post, as it brought new people to me to connect further and think of ways to create value..
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@irreverent-dan · (edited)
The brutal honesty in @snowflake's post saddened me a lot. When you prioritize quick ROI over quality, things are gonna get shitty sooner or later. When whales sell their votes to a bot, more often than not the paid bot-upvotes go to posts that are shit. 

It makes me wonder whether the recent price of Steem has anything to do with the automation that is taking place here plus the thousands of paid upvotes.
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@ghulammujtaba ·
I hope @bashadow will read this post and I don’t have to prove my point further. Had a discussion with him on your yesterday’s post and that’s exactly I pointed out. Most of the people here have a corporate mind, get return on investment approach which isn’t bad but if we see as a whole, it damages the society and same thing is happening here. I will not suggest anything or criticize @snowflakes decisions as it’s his own life and he has a right to do so but I just want to let him know that there are people who need us, here and in the real world as well. Help them, you will earn more than 6 steems in the form comfort and peace of mind. Making someone’s life better will give you more pleasure than clicking on redeem button and getting hundreds of steems. In the real world, I give 2 percent of my whole income to the poor and I feel proud when an old person buys some food for his children who haven’t eaten for days. 

Will post my comment on his post tommorrow or may be I won’t, I don’t want to be flagged. 

Stella, you are a gem! Not saying this for an upvote but you and surpassinggoogle are the only guys I have seen so far who are actually doing something for PEOPLE, not for themseleves and I am sure, you’re the same Stella in the real world as well. 
Stay blessed. 
Excuse typos, typed from phone.
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@mikepm74 ·
Well Spoken, as usual Stellabelle!  

I guess we have to disconnect ourselves from people who are looking at Steem as  an investment and only care about the ROI.  At this point, short of a hardfork that changes the reward system, you can't stop them from doing as they see fit.

But YOU will always be looked on with much greater respect for the way you do things.  How people view you is important to you, as you say, way moreso than your ROI.  This makes you an advocate for the community, all of the community.  There are too few people who walk the same path as you.  

I guess that I can somewhat see the flip side as well.  While I am out curating new authors, I see so much crap posting that it makes me want to cry sometimes.  It's surely not as bad as Facebook, but it isn't good.  I can spend hours, even days, trying to find just one post that can be curated for new author rewards.  It is disheartening.

Unfortunately, right now, Steem does not have a real good way for the cream to rise to the top.  And I am not sure how you change that, other than by following the lead of people we respect.  There's a handful of people who have been here for over a year who I can genuinely say are doing it right.  So I attempt to follow their lead, and do the best I can.

There is a pragmatic side to me that understands what snowflake and people like him are doing, but I feel the same disgust at that mentality as overkillcoin.  If this is just an investment, go invest in a different alt coin and leave the reward pool to the people who genuinely care about the platform.  

Keep on Mining for people who don't Suck! You do a great job!  ;-)
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@stellabelle ·
thanks. I realize that @snowflake gave his solution at the end, and he pointed it out that i overreacted...which i did. I think it was good of him to wake us up....i think it's worth looking into getting the reward percentages adjusted....back to 50/50.
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@ocrdu ·
I'm not so sure. Given the current goings-on on Steemit, I think the most likely scenario will be that: 

* blind voting-for-profit will go up, and stay well within the existing voting patterns, some of which are  circle jerks;
* voting-because-one-likes-content will go down;
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* their rewards for posting content will go down.

I don't think increasing the curator's cut will increase proper curating, it will just increase the rewards for those who vote for rewards only rather than for rewarding content they like.

I suspect all it would do is make the in-crowds and short-term ROI-seekers  work slightly differently, while at the same time increasing the income of those who vote for profit and decreasing the rewards for content creators.

The long-term/short-term outlook of those with the big wallets is key here, not the percentages.

There's only one way to find out what would happen, so we could just try it, as long as it can be reversed when it doesn't work as intended. Nothing wrong with experimenting as long as you say beforehand what you will do with the outcome of the experiment.
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@cmoljoe ·
It seem to me that Steemit become all about money for most of people. They don't understand that money aspect of Steemit is just fraction of value Steemit can become. 

Many people that get auto-votes from other people post just to pick up those votes. One of examples is profile @dana-edwards. She post few copy/paste articles on daily bases just to earn money from auto-votes. On another hand, people who write original content receive pennies and give up after few tries. They see same people getting money from auto-votes all the time and their effort not been appreciated so of course they give up.

I wrote few articles, but I'm questioning myself should I post it because I see auto-votes are taking over. I know my articles will get only pennies. I can't watch people like @dana-edwards getting money for copy/paste articles and real original content creators pennies. Auto-votes and selling votes is killing Steemit big time. There is many examples like me that just give up from Steemit. They don't see any point in writing original content for nothing and same people getting auto-votes/money.

I'm close to giving up on writing articles on Steemit until this bs voting is happening. In the end it's not about money, it's about being fair and that is not what is happening on Steemit. Until money is priority for the people, Steemit will go down. My dad wrote perfect line in his writings... "Money is testing us all the time."
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@sift666 · (edited)
$2.74
Great post 

This is my favourite line:

"I could lose all my money at any time, but I could rebuild my wealth if my integrity is intact. If I lose my reputation and my money, I'm fucked"

So much dodgy voting going on...

![](https://steemitimages.com/DQmdHBDVa52Eun9qr2zPbsBHEBfctXWkGCR6MHYwQjkyde2/image.png)
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@stellabelle ·
$0.25
Holy Fuck! This was hilarious to find! I am a freak magnet....every day.
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@optimistdehinde ·
Integrity is key in everything. For example i follow @michelle.gent because I love reading her post and articles. She has been a source of inspiration to me. Though she does not even know who I am but I love what is doing on the platform. Integrity is very important,.
I have some some people on my steemvoter just because I love what they do. People like you, @surpassingggoogle, @michelle.gent, @stach and many others like not because I needed them to respond but because they inspired me all the time and that is my only way of saying thank you. My SP is even small for them to take note , but that does not matter, as long as i love what am doing.
If people can be doing this then we should have a more better platform.
Just saying.....
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@brianphobos ·
DAFUQ!  LOL
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@connecteconomy ·
$2.67
Kudos to him for breaking it down for us so honestly. That certainly feels like a "connection killer" unless those authors might also get higher votes through that bot and not miss out on anything in the end, but that's not the case from the sound of it..
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@stellabelle ·
thanks for your twitter message the other day.....
yeah, this was a wake up call for sure....and glad you had a chance to read it.
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@ana-maria ·
$0.85
**I can't express good enough how and how much your post is music to my ears!** 

BTW - I wasn't aware either such a possibility exists. I mean, I knew some people rent their SP (as I am the one who leases it), but I didn't know a member could rent to bots his/her voting possibility and especially not for such a huge payment difference. 

Being here over a year by now, not always fully active (especially not at the very beginning), but still whatever and whenever I'm engaged, I'm trying to participate, contribute and reward those I think to deserve that by staying behind my every single action with full integrity. 

On this way, I hate that I am somewhat forced to use bots if I want to shout out something. In other words, I hate that I have to use bots if I want to give at least some posts (certainly not all of them) better visibility.  
And OK, let's say that I manage to make peace with myself (somehow) by trying to accept that as the promotional price and the price of visibility. 

But what is still bothering me a lot about that concept is fact that I come across a lot of articles being boosted the same way which articles are pure BS, not rarely just copied/pasted content from elsewhere, in other words, **blatant plagiarism and copyright infringement what any of those bots out there is NOT checking by any means before casting their vote.**

It turns this platform into a perfect playground for all sorts of scammers! 

Although with my current amount of SP, I am few galaxies far away from you and accordingly even farther away from @snowflake, **just reading about this possibility you were describing makes me feel like a complete fool.** 

Why?
About week ago I created a contest through which I would be able to teach newcomers a bit more about the Steemit. I decided to start the series with a simple question: ***"Are you a minnow?"*** as I saw many people don't understand what, in fact, determines to be a minnow or not, as well as I saw that even some older members don't know where in that scale they really are. 
*(As the post is still active for about next 24 hours, I still didn't give the explanation as I'm waiting for the contest to end, to give each participant equal possibility to win the reward.)* 

However, I allocated my own money to that contest. It's not some big amount but at the moment when I launched the contest, it was almost everything I had (for 100 correct answers). 
I was even accused that I'm buying cheap votes with that contest what is hilarious as I knew from the beginning which audience (newcomers) I'm targeting and how "huge" their votes might be. But OK - I can live with that. The member didn't get and probably wouldn't get until the contest ends (if even then) where and why I was heading. 

But now, reading about that someone would rather give its $10 value vote through some bot, very likely to some scammer (as I said, bots don't check that) who would have the money to pay for it, than to someone who really deserves it by creating truly quality content, it makes me feel even as a bigger fool and my small attempt at some (educational help) contribution entirely silly. 

**But you know what?! - Although I'm a bit pissed, I'm planning to stay a silly fool in this regard, if nothing else (same as you) for my integrity sake!**
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@stellabelle ·
well, good, we need you.
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@jefpatat ·
Call me naive but that is still my main ideal for being on steemit. I find it a pity so much time is waisted on discussing on how to get rich fast, how to generate the most rewards,... Call me an idealist I don't really care. I want to have fun, meet new people and create opportunities for them and me. I wrote it in my introduceyourself and now three months later I still stand by it. I'm closing on reputation 60 and that means the world to me. I care a lot more about how I am appreciated. Not every value is expressed in money. There are things such as gratitude that come for free.

Shameless spam: 
@stellabelle If you happen to read this: I'm working on an idea, sort of a curation guild, to support makers/diy on steemit. I would love to have a chat about it with you if you have the time. I'm looking for a startup mentor and I think you have the right mentallity.

Anybody else can of course contact me as well on steem.chat or discord.
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@stellabelle ·
sounds really fascinating! send me a dm in steemit chat.
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@jefpatat ·
So I did, waiting for your response ;-)
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@paulag ·
$0.03
I suppose the truth hurts and what @snowflake raised his post are problematic facts.

What I am finding difficult with all of this is how the steemit blockchain community can come to a conscious on how people should 'behave' on steemit.

Remember, Steemit is still new.  its still in beta.  We are still early adapters, and I believe we can still help shape the future of Steemit. 

Each and everyone of us have our own stories, are own reasons for doing things, our own motives. but when it comes to money, many of us are the same.  If there is a way to make more, they will take the opportunity.

The problem is, on steemit, we are mixing people with money, that in its self will always attract opportunists.

The solution, well I don't have one but we need to start with communication, with openness and with transparency  And well I think @snowfalke made a good start there.

One thing I have said before is that the people that are highly invested need to start thinking long term and not short term financial gain.  This mindset will sink steemit before it can even take off
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@abh12345 · (edited)
It has begun......

https://steemit.com/steemit/@abh12345/steemit-abit-v-s-snowflake-180k-steem-power-battle

And my comment on @snowflake's blog:

>...looking at your recent minnowbooster rewards for the previous full week of activity, you made 305.

>@abit, who has about 5000 more SP than you (without your delegation to this new account), made 501 SBD on curation alone last week.

>Speaking purely from a financial perspective, and unless there are any outside payments going on, curation is 40% more profitable in this example.

So in summary, out of pocket and looking a little lazy and uncaring.
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@stellabelle ·
$0.11
yeah, i read this post of yours. it's quite good! Thank you
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@abh12345 ·
You were, and are, the inspiration for many of my posts - thank you!
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@bigtakosensei ·
They don't have to be mad I'm mad for them. If they're being robbed of votes we're probably all getting robbed. Guess it does take time to figure things out though steemit is still pretty new actually. 
But yeah you have to looks out for the people on here, that's what it's all about, I think.
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@vibeof100monkeys ·
Great picture and nice post. I would rather not get loads of Steem and connect with genuine people. Money won't make you happy connecting with like minded good spirited people will
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@dhouse ·
the problem is that the entire novelty of steem resides in the fact that you can earn money with it, otherwise, why not just use reddit, facebook, etc?
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@jrswab ·
> I could lose all my money at any time, but I could rebuild my wealth if my integrity is intact.

I have been blogging for over a decade without a return on my investment. Not just in the form of money but time. I always put my reputation first over any chance of a reward.

Steem has been good to me but it still takes hard work to make a good post. Most of the time they make no traction. I've been doing better since being invited to @sndbox in terms of total steem value but I still will take 10 good comments that continues the discussion I started over $100 worth of steem.

The people who take this seriously and write their best reguardless of the rewards are the ones that make steem worth our time. I'm glad there are people like you here that put integrity over money. It ties into some of the posts I have wrote with the aim of helping new bloggers here on steem.

<3 *J. R.*
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@brianphobos ·
$0.05
I look at it from a couple different angles.   I'm not sure how @snowflake came to have so much power but would the way the came upon their power change people's opinion on the strategy they are employing for upvotes and profitability?   

Example 1: Let's pretend @snowflake is a trust fund baby and gained the money for the Steem Power by taking $100,000 out of a $100 Million trust fund owned by their family.   Now they just want to profit to the max and doesn't care about the community here and just wants to profit.     

Example 2:  @snowflake was living in their car and working at Wendy's part time and Subway the other part of the time and managed to invest $100 / week into crypto currencies in 2015 and finally caught their ride and put a large part of that into STEEM and needs to make the investment grow so they don't have to work a low paying job.

Suddenly people's perception about their motives for profiting the most changes depending on their situation.   That is why these businesses guru's out there usually have an exaggerated story about their rise to success.  They were sleeping in a car, eating mac and cheese......etc.    In reality they probably slept in their car once when they were on a road trip and were too tired to make it to the next city so they had to sleep in their car at a rest stop before they fell asleep at the wheel.   

So in regards to the strategies employed to make money here the system rules are an attempt to steer people's behaviors to do certain things but people will always attempt to bend, break, or work the rules in their favor.   I'm not saying that is good or bad. That is just how it is. 

So think about it this way.   On Golos you have an account and I believe you have a bot running to upvote content creators.   It would be extremely difficult for us to manually curate over there because I don't know Russian and I'm assuming you don't either but you have surprised me before with the fact that you know Japanese and many other things.   But let's just say you don't know Russian.   In the grand scheme of things you probably wouldn't consider it worth your time to try to translate all the posts and then determine who to upvote manually for a very small payout over there.   So you have to act more efficiently.   

That is all it is for the whales here.   They don't see it to be worth their time to manually do most of the upvoting.   For guys like Elon Musk, Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos....etc.  it probably isn't worth their time to prepare their own food, wash their clothes, clean their cars,  Install their own home audio systems....etc.   On their level they don't have time for it.   

Cool post....... and personally I don't think we should go back to 50/50 rewards.   I feel like the current breakdown is pretty good for the time being.
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@elgeko · (edited)
Awesome Picture of you,  100% upvote just for the headline: MONEY CANNOT REPLACE INTEGRITY, great article too. That is @stellabelle at her very best.
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@rudyardcatling ·
viewed, voted, commented, and re-steemed ... 

anyone follows me i'll follow back within a few days
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@twentythree ·
I thought this was a Futurama post
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@autofreak ·
Damn!

Whales has turned steemit to cryptocurrency exchange or market place, just when i am about to tell my friends about it.
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@eggstraordinair ·
This is an issue that has concerned me from early on in my journey here in steemit, more power will attract more rewards that will attract more power, making whales already set to always get the largest share of the new tokens forever, which is basically how money works, I don't see a solution for this
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@aaronmcheong ·
@stellabelle you replied to my comment previously that steemit is an anarchy so there's no rules.. Well, I believe there will be contexts (now might be one) where certain rules **must** be applied in order to sustain the ecosystem. Absolute freedom, as *utopic* as it sounds is basically gambling on the integrity of the people who practice the said freedom.

> If we are to gamble on the future of the Steem blockchain, that doesn't sound too wise right?
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@ats-david ·
$0.12
The issue with curation incentives isn’t anything new. This is something I wrote...from nine months ago.

https://steemit.com/steemit/@ats-david/on-curation-rewards-and-their-necessity

For the record: I find the “it’s so much more profitable” argument to be quite poor, especially when it comes from whales who can earn fairly large returns by voting on nearly *anything.* And I find it a particularly horrible argument when they then try to claim that they’re only trying to prove a point or that they really do want to improve the platform/community. If you want more money than you’re getting, then just say that. Don’t try to qualify it by saying, “It’s not my fault, guys!”

Anyway - curation rewards may be *part* of the problem, but it isn’t *the* problem, or even one of the prominent ones today. There are much bigger issues...and the largest one (the stake issue - particularly, STINC’s enormous percentage) has still not been addressed. That alone likely has the largest and worst impact on interest, investment, development, and sentiment/behavior. To this day, they are still moving things behind the scenes and picking winners/losers on the platform.
👍  ,
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@reddust ·
What STINC=Steem.inc?
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@ats-david ·
Yeah...colloquially speaking.
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@ocrdu ·
About going back to higher curation rewards; repeating a comment here so you see it:

I'm not so sure. Given the current goings-on on Steemit, I think the most likely scenario will be that: 

* blind voting-for-profit will go up, and stay well within the existing voting patterns, some of which are  circle jerks;
* voting-because-one-likes-content will go down;
* average Steemians rewards from voting will move from negligable to twice negligable;
* their rewards for posting content will go down.

I don't think increasing the curator's cut will increase proper curating, it will just increase the rewards for those who vote for rewards only rather than for rewarding content they like.

I suspect all it would do is make the in-crowds and short-term ROI-seekers  work slightly differently, while at the same time increasing the income of those who vote for profit and decreasing the rewards for content creators.

The long-term/short-term outlook of those with the big wallets is key here, not the percentages.

There's only one way to find out what would happen, so we could just try it, as long as it can be reversed when it doesn't work as intended. Nothing wrong with experimenting as long as you say beforehand what you will do with the outcome of the experiment.

And yes, the huge STINC stake is hanging over everything like a big, black cloud.
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@bescouted ·
How large is it? maybe you could save half of hour of research? 
I also think or better believe or even better hope, that once Steemit will split into small shards of communities with SMTs all of them building their own token distribution and adjusted reward mechanism all that voting in steemit will not matter that much anymore. 
I took me a few weeks after finding about steemit to realise that the real value lies in Blockchain itself and not Steemit as a platform. I guess only time will tell. 

Apart from that i keep my reward expectations low and i'm cool. So many smart, interesting, creative and kind people here that it alone surpass benefits from the rewards. All the knowledge i have gained from advises, tips, tuts is priceless.
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@albertvhons ·
If the whales decides not to upvote post they deserving rather than after its profits, I will not condemed them, after all, its their money they invest but  i will avoid them,

I will prefer to those who are human
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@mother2chicks · (edited)
Thank you for saying what has been on my mind for some time . I wrote about it a week or more ago. I did not realize the bot thing was being used to delegate steem. I continue to be angry that the whales are so apathetic about upvoting and curating. 
How can steemit continue to be a great place to express ideas if there are so many people cheating the system. Get rid of the bots. 

Thanks for your post. 🐓🐓
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@grandpere ·
At the launch of Steemit, the rhetoric was "angelic": decentralization, no government, no banks, no corrurption or collusion. the UBI, the code is law, etc ...
After 18 months, we see that less than 1% of members control the platform, uses gaming, strategies, bots for their benefit by always justifying with the same rhetoric "angelic". Is this Pareto's law? No, they wrote the code for it to be so.
👍  
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@sheikh27 ·
its a biggest and great post to reaveled the fact about upvoting, and curration will remain 50/50 is always better choice.
👍  
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@happyphoenix ·
NIce advice to remind us, I will note this and share on my little community. :)
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@theghost1980 ·
Thanks for sharing this great post. It is a great way to see it. I could imagine some scenario:
- Me having a great voting power. I would make a business with the half of my power and I would use the other half to help people.

It could sound a bit "utopic" but I want to believe it may work. In this way I could still make money of it while contributing with real votes to real people curating their content.

STEEM ON.
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@aghunter ·
Hi @stellabelle. Thanks for the great post. Its both disappointing, but not surprising that these kinds of innovations are happening on the site. I think Steemit will only succeed if it hosts genuinely valuable content. Giving your voting power to a bot will give you short term profit but longer term. will lead to a reduction in the value of the community. Thank you for your integrity.
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@preparedwombat ·
>Why don't we switch back to 50/50 rewards

Must of been before my time. I joined just before HF19 so never experienced 50/50.
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@tojukaka ·
I hope @ned reads your blog @stellabelle. 

These are serious issues. 

God bless your heart 
You have a good heart
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@nazarwills ·
Thankyou for sharing @stellabelle . . . Very good post 👍👍👍
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@yaanivapeji ·
@stellabelle, to be honest, the main reason why people are here on steemit is for the monetary value. If there was not monetary value, people would have just remained on facebook. But reputation is still good duo.👌👌
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@haphazard-hstead · (edited)
In the comments, @snowflake went even further and suggested letting folks set the curation rewards on their posts. Thinking about his examples, though, the curation fraction is not the real issue. It may seem like the break-even point for @snowflake would be where the ROI is equal for the example posts they mentioned. But what if 4 other authors would accept an even lower return for themselves? Then @snowflake could make even more ROI! That doesn't lead anywhere good, either. It's a race to the bottom. 

I agree that the code provides the rules. So the code has to incentivize whales to care for the overall health of the Steem blockchain as the way to increase the value of their investment. Right now, that's through the Steemit platform. There should be enough data since HF19 to assess where code changes would be helpful. Is it removing delegation? Is it stopping (somehow) certain kinds of bots? I think it's the delegation, myself. But there should be some analyses, including some simulations to test how code changes could help. 

Of course, there's always the possibility that some whales and witnesses are just waiting for hype about any of the new apps or SMTs to spike Steem values, so they can bail out. That's a different issue.
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@stellabelle ·
yeah, the race to the bottom idea was in my mind as well....not a great image.
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@deeday31 ·
>I could lose all my money at any time, but I could rebuild my wealth if my integrity is intact.

I so love this part!! I may not understand some terms you've mentioned above because I am still new here but i like it how you convey things in a much deeper thoughts!! but i can still sense that steemit is just like our real life story, and that integrity must be given an attentive attention for even any big amount of money cannot purchase it! :)
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@dannyshine ·
Thanks for another thought provoking article. I am fairly new here - I create disruption in public spaces and was excited about the potential of this platform to disrupt social media although I question whether it can do that now that I am seeing it in operation. Just returned from steemfest and wrote a skeptics report on it if you're interested.
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@stellabelle ·
$0.68
yeah, and i really liked it. Thanks for writing it.
👍  
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@orlena ·
Amazing post ... have me really thinking .. wishing that this platform breaks the norm without losing its integrity.. thank you for sharing
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@laciri ·
great post @stellabelle
I think this post will benefit you
https://steemit.com/currency/@laciri/dxy-index-nears-resistance-as-first-eur-usd-h-and-s-target-
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@anne2322 ·
great post bro....
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@acdevan ·
Hopefully Steemit finds its way back to its original mission.
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@arcange ·
Congratulations @stellabelle!
Your post was mentioned in the [hit parade](https://steemit.com/hit-parade/@arcange/daily-hit-parade-20171106) in the following category:

* Comments - Ranked 3 with 205 comments
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@gardenlady ·
This makes me sick!  I've never gone the bot route...I like to think of myself as someone with integrity.  I like to open posts and read them.  If I like them, I upvote.  If I'm inspired, I'll comment.  Ok, I'll admit that sometimes I swing by a post and upvote with out opening, but sheesh, the whalebots...doesn't seem right.
If going to 50/50 is the thing to do, I'm all for it.
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@stonealan ·
That's rather worrying like most things in this world!
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@twofingersshort ·
Glad it still vote for what you like man! We need more whales like you! I really see this site sky rocketing if more would do that. It may onl cos 2 steem to vote on a newer post.. but it could gain so many loyal followers by doing that.. I know not all whales are the greedy type, it nice to see people like you on here man! Keep up the good work! :)
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@sultnpapper ·
Hey Two,
Interesting that you resteemed this, my blog tonight is based on this topic, be sure to catch it.
@sultnpapper
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@twofingersshort · (edited)
Yeah I saw a post the other day about this by one of the whales.. I have invested 100 dollars so far.. so I want this site to win..if the majority of the whales are not votin in new content it might make it a little hard for it to grow. I see good thing isn't ehf tire for steemit if we all come together and help eachother. But yeah I will check it out man!! :)
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@nee · (edited)
I don't have much SP so my upvotes makes no difference to any creator, but I use upvote as a bookmark, since I decided to read as much as I can to feed my brain about how this system works. TBH I still can't explain what exactly is a blockchain and what are the reason why it's so special. But to me I use upvote as a bookmark, meaning I upvote any post or comment which tells my brain that I have already read the post/comment.

There are too many issues/problems about Steemit which Steemians keep mentioning which makes me think if this beta will fail or success, but nevertheless blockchain technology will remain so it's high time to read as much as I can for now and maybe once my brain is fully feeded and I become capable of answering any questions or come up with ideas that can bring solutions to many of the problems that people are seeing. And maybe who knows after two or even 10 years I will be some kind of whale where I will be able to buy a new car every week using income generated from blockchain & cryptcryptocurrency
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@ram.bozo ·
$0.03
I was wondering why the only way i can make a post over 10c is by using an up vote bot. How many whales actually do this? This is really disheartening to read for us minnows. It makes me wonder if steemit is worth it. It makes me wonder if the only way I can get a decent vote is by paying for it. If the future of steemit is going to be based on people buying votes and selling votes to bots. Then the content quality will drop because no one really has to read a post. What a grim future for steemit. Selling votes to bots has a serious implication for steemit. I think it somehow needs to be addressed by the developers.
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@aaalfonz ·
Just gonna repost, agree with you completely, I think is a good thing they wrote that article though, hopefully it will push positive changes.
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@prakashghai ·
good choice
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@tolarnee ·
this is painful but i think different things matter to different people.. integrity and helping others in my pinion would eventually give you more fulfillment than money
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@steem-star ·
Your art work is top notch! Cover photo to the wolf of Steem, steem-on!!
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@iansart ·
@stellabelle I was one of those 3 people and I completely agree with you. It is quite annoying. The ideal situation would be that whales use the free voting power that they get everyday to upvote posts that they like and think would improve the platform.

Some whales do this, however we can see many upvote posts with bots to maximize their profits. It does come down to greed in human nature, people wanting more and more power.

I think the best thing is to do what you do and vote on integrity. If minnows see quality posts from other minnows hit trending they may be more inclined to produce quality content themselves in order to succeed on this platform. But it can also go the other way, if upvote bots and poor, copy and paste content is the best way to hit trending we will see more of that produced on the platform. 

The more sp someone holds when they curate the more they will affect the future quality of the platform.
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@stellabelle ·
so curators need to be whales. it's obvious...
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@sharoonyasir ·
$0.02
This deeply disturbed me. I work so hard on my posts and most of them are undervalued even though I know I am writing better content than many here who are getting bigger upvotes. While Steemit is a great platform, it is one that mainly functions on the principle- 'it doesn't matter what you know but who you know.' If you know the big whales, you are golden. If not, you are dead even if you know valuable stuff. The drive to make more money makes people to do things like selling their votes and depriving the well-deserved ones of their right. This is really upsetting!
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@pjcswart ·
Yeah it upsets me too.
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@likedeeler ·
I find it difficult with the current reward system to make money as a curator and beat the built in inflation of Steem. So 50/50 would be good.
Another way for whales who like to do manual curation and support quality content would be to approach an author they want to support on a more regular basis because the author produces quality content, tell the author to put their post reward on 50% power up and after he got the reward for a certain post the author transfers the SBD part of the reward he got from the whale back to the whale´s account. That requires a bit of work, calculations and some initial trust by the whale but if the author does not transfer the SBD he looses all potential upvotes by this whale in the future, so it is in his best interest to pay the SBD to the whale.
Compared to vote buying where the minnow has to pay SBD first and is restricted by his lack of capital or some limits imposed by the bot, here the whale and the minnow could agree on an individual contract involving bigger upvotes.
This could maybe also be an alternative for whales to the opening of several accounts, publishing crap content and then upvoting those posts to keep all the rewards for themselves, because as @starkerz said at steemfest in the long run the whales interests should be in increasing the value of Steem by promoting steemit and not some petty curation rewards.
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@tattoodjay ·
$0.02
WOW that’s interesting to read and I can understand some people’s  mindset to always focus on the ROI  but that’s something I wouldn’t do myself I am still a tiny Fish in this huge pond but my voting hasn’t changed from day one and won’t it’s just not my way 

It does in a way shock me that people can focus that way and it is so against the grain of my principles but I try not to judge people 

Well out loud silently in my head it’s a whole different story
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@pjcswart ·
Good point...
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@xpilar ·
Whales and others who have invested in Steemit want a return on their investment and I understand that. Those who have a lot of Steempower can do both, use a part to rent their voice and yet vote in the usual way. However, the number of posts grows vigorously and it is not easy for those who have the power of "Voting Power" to follow up on the posts that deserve it. As it is now, there are unfortunately many good posts that do not get any upvote. And it is precisely the driving force that people spend a lot of time on their good posts to be noticed and get an upvote as deserved. Those who are not noticed and once do not get a comment on their posts will get bored and there are many here. But I do not have a blueprint on how we solve it.

@stellabelle I re-steemed the post because there are many good comments and for providing us with information about this. https://steemitimages.com/0x0/https://s25.postimg.org/khceuyov3/smiley-163510_640_100_x_75.jpg
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@arx27 ·
If I get upvote from a  whale, it raises my reputatsion. And good reputatsion give me trust in themy other eyes.  I build  like a house with good basement.  I really want to save my steempower as long as I can.
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@ongoingwow ·
$0.22
I realise I’m a very new user and only just beginning to understand the complex culture and inner workings of Steemit, but as a fresh pair of eyes I wondered... Has anyone considered changing the voting system so that everyone’s vote is equal? (Like Reddit for example) Whales could then resteem articles they really loved, and in this way these articles would get extra readers and upvotes organically.
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@pjcswart · (edited)
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I like you @stellabelle. Thanks for this. I did something similar on a smaller scale. I exited from all my voting guilds - you know where everyone votes for everyone. So now all my upvotes are organic - for my posts less votes and less money, but at least they feel more real. And every now and then I get a nice big upvote from a whale for like ten dollars.

But of course it also puts more power in my hands in terms of deciding what I spend my upvotes on. Just feels better.
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@rok-sivante ·
ok, so this was an uncomfortable read, as I must confess to having delegated my voting power to a bot and *not* kept on top of what all it was voting for.

however, this may have been the call-to-action needed to reconsider my strategy - and thus inspiring this:

[Voting Power Redistribution: Cast Your Nominations For The Minnow Accounts Most Worthy Of Support...
1 minute ago
](https://steemit.com/steemit/@rok-sivante/voting-power-redistribution-cast-your-nominations-for-the-minnow-accounts-most-worthy-of-support)
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@reinhard-schmid ·
With a number of people I'm following involved in this discussion from the original post you refer to, I came across several posts following it. Many good points have been made and so it has become difficult to add anything of value.

Had a nice conversation with @erh.germany yesterday following her [post](https://steemit.com/steem/@erh.germany/enter-a-mermaid-s-mind-an-observation-of-the-steemit-system) (added the link for convenience, in case anybody might be interested, not trying to spam and will remove it of course, if required)

We both find, that reducing "reward" to money alone is missing a big part of the equation. I really don't understand, that *a whale makes 4 dollars more using a bot.. and misses the opportunity for an invaluable conversation or even a lasting friendship. I wonder what matters more, particularly when you seem to have enough money already anyways.*

So, in my humble opinion, changing percentages in the reward system won't change anything. People using bots now, will continue to do so and only get more of what they think are worthy *rewards* (money)

In the end, what you do depends on your personality and I'd find it hard to adjust the system to offer incentives to get people to act the way you describe under *It comes down to this* and the questions you ask yourself.

A system, no matter how well designed it might be, will not make anyone a better person or push one to make more "ethical" decisions. You have to **want** to be and act a certain way...
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@teasylove ·
i find it is interesting to notice that i have not seen the idea being suggested here to actually use a system where profits are __shared equally__ for all participants, while investments are __individually chosen__ ...
much like in a community, where __every member contributes whatever they can/have__ (time, skill, talent, motivation, etc), while __every single member receives an equal share__ of all the spoils/crop/fruit that are the community's natural proceeds

this is a world of abundance that we live in (look at the food industry and the available produce from our beautiful planet), but we have been made to believe that we live in a world of scarcity!
not to mention that we are beings of abundance ourselves!
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