RE: Open letter to @Ranchorelaxo and @Haejin. by mysted

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· @mysted ·
$15.73
Eventhough he responded to your open letter. His response is by far inferior and is just to save his own ass. His TA is just ridiculous.. it doesnΒ΄t work on shitcoins with like zero marketcap come on. Get this boy down. I saw 4 of his posts in trending page with 200 to 300 dollar, showing the same pattern every single time on a different graph. 

Is that the trending page we want to see on this platform? It only does more harm to steemit then make it a better place.. 
His posts are abuse and stating that he does 10 posts a day because he needs to keep up with the demand of his followers is just because his followers suck up to him because of his Steem Power. They just want to be friends with him to get a little piece of his pie.

Well no. whahah flag this man down.
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@thatanimesnob ·
90% of whatever "predictions" @haejin is doing are just speculation. He is making a small fortune for what is essentially astrology or tarot reading, while many others struggle to make a few bucks with actually useful content.
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@mysted ·
$0.03
Small fortune? This man is leaving this platform being a multi millionaire.. not giving a shit anymore
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@thatanimesnob ·
Even millions are considered a small fortune nowadays. Not that I am excusing his abuse by saying that.
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@sneak ·
$0.31
His big payouts aren’t from his followers - they are the result of one single account that upvotes all of his posts, adding ~$200 to each one.
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@btc-dialog ·
$8.28
how about u make 10 TA posts a day that are better than his. I bet u cannot even come up with 1. as a result he gets rewards and u do not. u are free to compete.
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@thatanimesnob ·
It's not about how many posts I make every day, it's about how useful they are. I am mostly reposting my topics from a different forum some years ago, I can post 100 in an hour if I feel like it, and each one of them will be more useful than the worthless predictions of this self-voting abuser.
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@eirik · (edited)
$0.05
You are comical.

I challenged him to a duel, which he will not even respond to because he is to scared that it will show his incompetency. He do analyses that he doesn't even trade by himself and just rake massive rewards here instead!

If 1000 STEEM deposit is too low for him to show to all of us his exceptional skills then let's add another 1000.
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@stimialiti ·
$0.59
I still feel the same as you about TA, but watch Kay Kim on Youtube, go back to his older videos or you can check on Twitter too.
He almost never involves causality, just pure TA, and he is almost perfectly correct on every scale over 18 months straight, possibly more.
I have been following him about 18 months, so this is why I used this number.
He is brilliant.
In haejin's case, I follow him less, so I did not draw conclusive conclusions so far.
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@btc-dialog · (edited)
$8.66
u are just greedy and jealous. come up with ur own content that is worth upvoting by  whales and 20k followers that bring attention to steem every day.

Ur vision of turning this platform into some nazi censorship having is something u can do by buying facebook or some other centralized content platform.

Here a free market is at work.
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@mysted ·
$0.08
In my previous reply I didn't mention anything about me being greedy or say something where I could have been accused of being greedy. Also I come up with my own content and if it gets upvoted by a whale, yes! I would ofcourse be happy about it. But the power of this platform is the honest and fun interactions with other people sharing their opinion about certain topics. The currency you earn is obviously an incentive to reply and force yourself to put out some content. But if that is the drive, people will see that in the way you write or say thing in a fake way.

Also this is not a nazi censorship and us discussion about if he is abusing the system or not is the free market and free idea's we share. You may think im wrong for thinking that he is abusing the system or not. that's your own right and you should be doing that if you think that. 

So I encourage you to think more before you say something. Otherwise you get rekt in any discussion. Thanks for replying.
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@thatanimesnob ·
I replied to btc-dialog and defended you at the same time; give it a look above ^
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@thatanimesnob ·
$0.53
"u are just greedy and jealous"

Ad hominem fallacy, used to discredit a claim with unsupported and irrelevant accusations.

"come up with ur own content that is worth upvoting"

Red herring fallacy, you change the subject with irrelevant suggestions. Having others upvoting his posts is not what mystead was talking about. It's haejin upvoting himself.

"turning this platform into some nazi censorship"

Godwin's Law. A lazy way to try making the other side seem bad by calling it something it's not but everyone hates. 

"Here a free market is at work"

Even free markets have rules. If I hack your account and take away all your earnings, will you say it's free market, so it's ok?
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@eirik ·
$0.06
Even more sad is when the person is hiding behind an alt-account.

btc-dialog is probably @knircky
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@fannyc ·
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@fannyc ·
Hello, nice to meet you! Would you help me get 5 steem in a post for a task please
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@swinn · (edited)
$0.29
I just joined Steemit last week. I have had a financial blog for roughly 8 years now and racked up an email list of approximately 70,000. I posted 6 short "test" pieces just to see how the platform works. I'm remaining anonymous because I wanted to see how the system worked before I went all in. 

I can say that the current system here is a waste of time for someone like myself. In the few first hours on this platform I was already testing bots to see how the feeds were manipulated. I could come on here and spend a couple hundred steem and get my way to the #1 spot without even blinking (but losing money in the process because of the way the bots work). 

Has nothing to do with the quality of my work, where I come from, etc. It is just completely by gaming the system.  Obviously, this is problematic for me. I have been published in the NY Times, Financial Times, Barrons, the Wall St. journal, and been on CNBC twice. 

The day I joined, the top post was flooded with spelling errors (in the title), as well as being overall poorly written and flooded with grammatical errors. And then I go to see HOW it was ranked at the top, and it was all bots. 

Of the top Steem power holders, the vast majority are bots or the Steem team itself. I looked into how the bots worked, bought a few bids, and my jaw dropped at how easy it was to get ranked. 

Distribution of power in the cryptocurrency community is enormously skewed. It is only enhanced on this platform via the churning of bots, as they easily accumulate all the power in a short period of time. 

There is no merit in any of this. It has more in common with playing a video game than writing.

Bots are openly discussed and encouraged for use by some of the top member of this community (they own some of the bots). 

So I'm quitting before I get started here. This is a lose lose.  Sadly, there is no incentive for me to create good organic content on this platform because, while it might be read, the votes given by people reading it with good intent are far too weak versus what I would see in ad and sales revenue on my own website. I would be crossing my fingers to bag one of the 50 "whales" that would actually incentivize me to keep writing. 

And those odds are extremely small versus traditional avenues, where exposure is greater and chances of upside are greater, as well.

Per this author being criticized (@Haejin), he just played the system "right". He saw it for what it was (as I did) and played ball. Clearly, it worked for him and he is making a lot of money in both Steem and through his website.  I know a lot about technical analysis (I was a former fund manager) and much of his content can be found similarly elsewhere - but his exposure is much better, which is why he will do better in the end.

I, on the other hand, plan on sitting on the bench. Kind of a bummer, because I did have high hopes for Steemit.
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@whatsup ·
I think you make some valid points.  SteemIt is a distribution tool for Steem.  It is currently being used in many ways, but rewarding the highest quality work by Authors isn't one of them.  It can still be a great tool for those who are working on building an audience and those who want to fund another element of their writing.
If you see nothing of value here, I think it is a perfect decision to quit before you get started.
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@swinn ·
$0.04
I respect that and thank you for commenting.
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@coldbolt ·
$0.48
After reading some of your content, I advise to post it on D.Tube. The bots are still an issue but there is a dedicated curation team which will upvote good content in a video format. I do feel your content is solid so I'll leave that to you.

To add, I feel that the way Steem uses investment of votes as a method of valuing content, is not a great one as I could post a picture of a glass of Coca Cola and with enough investment, get onto Trending as you've mentioned. This is clearly not an indicator of good content but rather an indicator of investment backing. I don't know the answer to this issue but it's clearly not a good idea for Steem to be promoting content via by investment but rather the actual quality content. 

Give D.Tube a try with an introduction with yourself, a well made video which you would be happy to give to absolute strangers on the street and hopefully the curation team notices you. The curation team checks for bots.
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@swinn ·
Thank you and yes, I'm not exactly the camera-loving type which is why I spend much of my life under fluorescent lights and in front of monitors. Video is not an easy medium for me.

As you know, economic models are subjective....those who benefit don't complain while rest revolts. All of them are criticized at one point or another, so there is never a perfect solution.

Regardless, I point to the primary purpose of the platform, from which it naturally steered away, though likely unexpectedly.  Still, something can be done. The bulk of problems for the 90% of writers (with the least economic power) are not set in stone on the blockhain but rather this layer, the steemit website. I have a pile of ideas in the last week alone but unlikely anyone is listening. But we'll see. All of this (Steemit and beyond) is no bigger than a toddler in the greater scheme of things. Lots of time to go.
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@dirge ·
$0.02
yeah. I'm sure you checked https://steemwhales.com 
For anyone else that hasn't, please understand that 2% of users (bots) on this website own 95% of the wealth.
thats the economy of a failed state, or a robotic-shitpost dystopia. not a revolutionary social media platform.
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@swinn ·
That wasn’t the one but the list was he same - posted by a 1%er sometime last week. Thank you for the comment and yep, if this was a country there would have been a revolution already. It’s more like your standard US corporate giant
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@dreamrafa ·
Complete BS... You can blog on your own website and earn by ad revenue and all that shit, and still keep posting the same content on _steemit_ and earn additional money and additional exposure... Blogging in _Steemit_ wont stop you in any way to continue doing all the stuff you where doing before joining here... Seems to me like you are complaining because you are not getting as much money as quick as you wanted...
As for my self, i will always prefer a blog where i don't get exposed to shitty ads all over the place... And community here is way nicer than in any other blog...
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@swinn · (edited)
It took me 2 years just to find any moderate traction with my blog. Up to that point it was a tiny group of cult-like followers just reading my stuff...so you gotta be kidding me. I thought I would get called out on a few things here but impatience wasn’t one of them. I dug into the system, saw what goes on. It’s basic math. Top two posts right now are pushed by one of the strangest economic systems I’ve ever seen. Just picture these articles at the top of any other reputable spot. It’s like night and day.

Some posts can take up to 12 hours to write. Organizing, checking sources, proofreading, etc. That’s a lot of time for a post and I want something out of it. Most people are like me. Otherwise I’m just another blogger pushing retail shoddy product who loses his base over time, because people eventually see it for the crap it is. Those guys never last.
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@thatanimesnob ·
$0.02
Although I agree with what you wrote, please consider these:

Paying bots for the promotion of your work is not ilegal or immoral. It's simple advertisement, which everyone does for more exposure. It doesn't reward effort, that is true, but it's not wrong either if some are willing to pay money for more exposure.

What haejin is doing is NOT about paying bots. He has an alt-account from which he games the system. He paid a lot for it to get so much voting power, that is true, and now cashes in on his investment by abusing this loophole in the system. 

What is actually harmful is how his tactics are ruinning the credibility of the platform with literally worthless content at the top of the trends. 

I personally never paid a cent for buying steem. I slowly get rewards by simply reposting my topics from elsewhere (which never got any monetary rewards there), so even if I get a cent, it's still more than I was making on the other platform. I am not losing something by not paying bots, and I am gaining something by being active.

What I am basically saying, is that Steemit is fine for sharing content and bots are not its biggest problem. Self votes are.
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@swinn ·
Thanks for the comment and I get your first point, but these should be labeled as ads and obviously not so many of them. Right now they dominate everything in their path. There is a promoted section here that seems virtually useless. 

I also agree that he saw what it was and just played ball. 

I think the bigger issue here is that the current system is the primary cause of tit for tat arguments on this site (around this central issue) over and over and over again. And rightly so. Something that is so easy to game by anyone with cash deters from (what I understood to be) its main purpose.

In the short time I have been here I have come across a slew of arguments being promoted like this. People fighting over bones or scraps because at the end of the day, the system is busted. There is never a perfect solution, but to have a single guy dominate the trending feed every is very silly. His work is basic and standard (its just elliot wave after all, don't get me started on it), and there are better ones out there (as there are for me - I'm not claiming to be better at anything but I always believe someone can do what I do better in this world). But he gets in people's faces. So he wins. That's the world here. And its odd.

Thx again.
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@baah ·
Not even Self Votes, abusive or almost exclusive self-votes. There is nothing wrong with an upvote on your own post. When you're upvoting your comments it might be seen as abusive but a self-vote here and there especially on content will never move an eyelash.
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@adonisabril ·
$0.02
This is by far the most eloquent description of Steemit I've read so far. I'm a content creator. I've done my experiments as well. I've posted content where I didn't use bots and it sank to the bottom of the heap. I've had some luck where my content broke the top 15 on the trending page with the use of bid bots but eventually started losing a lot of money using them. Bots are the least of the problems in this platform - the circle voting between whales are an even bigger issue. 

I don't know how long I'm going to stay but if my account isn't gaining any sustained growth proportional to the amount of time I dedicate on Steemit, I'm also going to withdraw.
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@dreamrafa ·
If you find another platform that will give you better revenue that _steemit_, its perfectly fine to spend more time there... But still you could keep posting for content here as an extra, there is nothing that would stop you from doing that... Getting 3$ extra and some 20 more views for your pictures is still better than nothing, considering that those 3$ could someday become 30$ just for market reasons...
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@doomsdaychassis · (edited)
@adonisabril I will apoligize ahead of time, but i have a question. Once again I am sorry but i saw you were a 67 and your comment struck me as strange that you were not making enough to stay here so i got curious and looked at you wallet.  Under auther rewards you have for the last 7 days
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@ilovefashion ·
>Of the top Steem power holders, the vast majority are bots or the Steem team itself. 

i did not know this!!! This explains a LOT!
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@alao ·
I think your comment is driving a bit more traffic to your profile
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@grisotti ·
You all correctly say, but you should agree that analysis from this narrow - eyed-SHIT!!!!!!!!!
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@nudimar ·
Hi @swinn, thank you for your interesting analyses of the current situation on steemit. It is pretty much that what is hapenning here right now. I total agree. Im having the same issue with the contents that i want to post. I am not comfortable with the idea of spend a lot of time and effort to post contents that it won't fairly pays out my work. Is like, in the society that we know,  greed start to take over. You are right, the current Steem power holders are bots and the Steem team itself, wich, in my opinion is doing a very bad job (Steem team). I am not happy. And my votes will change. Or I will move at any opportunity that might apear in the future. Yes, I am talking about of Dan Larimer and IOS. 

Any way, for now i m glad having people like you and @coldbolt talking about important issue and creating value to the community. Following both for more. Cheers
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@ashe-oro ·
$0.03
most of his $ rewards come from himself and the 1 whale. I wouldn't consider this actual demand.
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@dahlsom ·
It is the same pattern... but that's the point.  If others like his TA why complain... just don't follow his advice.  You're upset he's earning too much... then compete and try to win over his followers, don't abuse them with downvotes and start conflicts.
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@mysted ·
$0.03
Your still missing the point..
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@dahlsom ·
Maybe... or maybe you are ... but my perspective is that I like his posts... and find value in his content... so if he's making a lot of money from my perspective it will be a motivation for more like content.  

I could go around being upset that posts of pretty pictures and videos of somebody saying Hi I have a large YouTube following get hundreds of dollars, but I assume others like their posts. 

I don't see how down voting the content providers thousands of people appreciate makes this a better site.  Build the site with good content, and stop worrying about the distribution... and we will all be richer in the long run.

If you want to earn like amounts, post 10 appreciated posts a day every day for months on end while also investing (or having other invest) large amounts in the platform.
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@sergiudemerji · (edited)
Everyone must do own research and to make own decision . I`m agree with you :)
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@grisotti ·
I have long observed shitty the quality of posts which makes this narrow-eyed, but on my comments about this he silently pose me flag... And now he can only justify and read about a lot of shit... To be honest, I'm even glad...
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@fannyc ·
Hello, nice to meet you! Would you help me get 5 steem in a post for a task please
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