RE: What is Communism? Part One - The Worker Versus The Boss by wordsword

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· @wordsword · (edited)
These are a  few questions. 
Your car could be seen as a means  of production by someone who wants to start a taxi,  Your computer could be seen as a means of production by someone who would do administrative work. The toothbrush of course not really. But there are many things that others have that I could take with the justification that I need them as means of production.
Where do I draw the line.


Wouldn't you run out of people that started companies? because after a few years of establishing the company it would be seized? 
Isn't it and idea to start your own co-op from scratch through crowdfunding or just starting small and then grow it? I know that is happening here and there.

Could there be two, or more, systems that live side by side where everybody is free to choose in which system to live and according to the rules of that system?
That someone capitalistic that want to keep his means of production, which is seen by the workers as stealing would be excommunicated, to go and find a capitalistic community.
That someone living in a capitalist system seizing the means of production which is seen as stealing in the capitalistic system would be excommunicated to go and find a communistic commune.
That every commune has it's own set of rules.
I know this sound simplistic but I think, having a choice is really important.
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@anarchyhasnogods · (edited)
"wouldn't you run out of people that started companies?" What? That's the point? We seize them and then provide for humanity? 
Socialism and mutualism could live beside communism, capitalism is forced to grow or stagnate, that would destroy the balance immediately.


You do work on your computer, not the administrator. If it is your personal computer it is personal property.
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@wordsword ·
Thank you for your answer, I'm just trying to communicate here.
What the underlying question is by this question "wouldn't you run out of people that started companies"
Wouldn't innovation stop? (This may seem like a dumb question to you but I see a large problem with stagnation)

//capitalism is forced to grow or stagnate// I don't see how trading with my neigbours is forced grow or would stagnate. I don't see anything wrong with it. And certainly not in communities.

I don't really get your last answer in combination with my question.
I explain; If i don't work on my personal computer but it's for entertainment/pleasure and someone else could use it to do work with it. Is him doing work with it, not a justification for him to seize it, since he is using it for live sustaining purpesses for him self or the common good, and I only for pleasure. 

(This is the best way I can ask the question because of my English is not always sufficient enough to find the right expressions, to make the questions short and succinct)
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@anarchyhasnogods ·
Stagnation only happens in a market economy where they are forced to increase in size non-stop to stay stable. Trading is not capitalism, you can trade in market socialism and mutualism. Capitalism requires businesses, those require profit. The rich and everyone naturally want more money and power. Combined with new people and new jobs the economy is forced to grow or it can not provide for everyone, even if the population goes down. If no new opportunities for jobs for the young they make no money and make no resources. When that happens the economy declines and less have jobs. Those that have jobs must compete harder for them, meaning they will get paid less as the laws of supply and demand indicate.  No more money going into the economy means the economy grinds to a halt. It relies on new jobs opening up for the upcoming generations.

In communism people would innovate because that is what they want to do. Most people who innovate (all the scientists at NASA for example) don't get a major personal benefit, they do it because they like doing it. Because more people would have the opportunity there could easily be more innovation.

For your laptop only private property is seized, it does not matter if it could be used for work. It is personal property. However, what each person does is up to him/her. Justification is based on the situation and the people, I usually would not condone it but if it could save lives...... It is all dependant on society either way though.
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