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You can't just claim that fictional things exist in objective reality without proving the claim. Citing the fact that we were previously unable to detect certain things doesn't change this. Until someone proves otherwise, spirits still reside strictly in the realm of fiction.
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I agree with you, @piedpiper. Germs were fictional in 1846. So fictional that the scientific community drove a man to his death for claiming they existed. I'm excited to see what other 'fictions' future scientific research turns into reality. However, I'm not sure where in my post I talked about spirits existing.
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Ignorance of a thing doesn't make it fictional. That which is fictional is imaginary and only exists in the mind. When you say that something is spiritual, you are claiming that spirits exist.
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@piedpiper: What are spirits?
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>Germs were fictional in 1846 I think you don't understand what that word means
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@i-repost, I understand. The dictionary defines fictional as, " Narrative, explanatory material, or *belief that is not true or has been imagined or fabricated.* " Which is exactly what the scientific community told Ignaz Semmelwei his germ theory was: *a belief that is not true or has been imagined or fabricated.* Science Fiction often becomes Science Fact at a later date. On one hand, science is the process by which we discover a hypothesis is reproducible. On the other, it is also a process by which we, psychologically, come to accept theories which were previously denied or thought impossible. Science is not immune to politics, nor is it definitive. Often, expired science is clung to as fervently as any religious order.
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"You can't just claim that fictional things exist in objective reality without proving the claim." Sure you can, you just have to add: "the Bible/Koran says".
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lol right :)
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Or adding, "science says." As just one example of how sciencism is as dangerous as religion: It was recently found that all the fMRI research data ever collected was essentially wrong: http://www.sciencealert.com/a-bug-in-fmri-software-could-invalidate-decades-of-brain-research-scientists-discover Another example: One of our most popular drugs, antidepressants, essentially do nothing: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/depression-medication-why_b_550098.html Books could be filled with this kind of 'science'. Now, I am not anti-science. For me, science is simply the documentation of reproducible effect and then the use of that effect to solve a problem. However, we know that the scientific community regularly claims "that fictional things exist in objective reality without proving the claim." The entire pharmaceutical industry relies on its fiction writers making up disease names for psychosocial problems and then offering fictional solutions to those conditions. However, I'm a bit confused why I'm having this discussion, since nothing in my post was fictional. Could someone point to the bit which describes something that definitively does not exist?
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Except you are somewhat wrong in both examples you gave, The fMRI bug is an issue which is much more nuanced than, "there's a bug, so everything is wrong" https://www.theguardian.com/science/head-quarters/2016/sep/30/has-a-software-bug-really-called-decades-of-brain-imaging-research-into-question A lot of the information you provide on that subject is just plain wrong, not all fMRI studies are affected, only about 10% Your example for antidepressants is summed up as one doctor's opinion. Some doctors will also say that vaccines are bad when that is clearly a false statement. You may not be entirely anti-science, but you seem to have some confirmation bias. Your posting history is littered with your use of substances such as LSD and MDMA and how they treat depression. I think your belief in this subject is based more on your desire for this to be true rather than an actual well-researched study.
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don't worry man. I debunked his way of thinking here read this and spare me the drama <h3><a href="https://steemit.com/science/@kyriacos/how-not-to-use-scientific-references">How Not To Use Scientific References</a></h3>
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