RE: Anarchy Misunderstood by cyberdemon531

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· @cyberdemon531 · (edited)
If you're saying that not having access to a doctor is someone's decision and not a society preventing them, then you're homicidal or stupid. I'll go with stupid on this one.  
  
Pretending that a universal healthcare system is "authoritarian" is stupid.   
  
You do not want to help anyone, you said it yourself, you aren't wanting to implement anything. You're doing nothing at all but larping in a fantasy land of theories that makes no sense and will help no one.  
  
40,000 people. Every year. 365 days. 40,000 deaths. Preventable, but you don't want to prevent them. You like watching them suffer, admit it. Nooo, wait, you don't want to watch them suffer, since that hurts your ego. You know they are dying, you know there can be a way to stop them from dying, but you don't care. Actually you'll fight to the death to keep them dying, all to prevent the scary boogey man of "authoritarianism!!!".
 
Reminder, factually, the best healthcare systems are government funded. Your first principles are homicidal. You are a psychopath.  
  
A scared, cowardly psychopath who is afraid of a real honest conversation on a voice platform. Presumably  because you need to outsource your stupid and murderous opinions before spewing them here because you have no real beliefs.  
  
Fucking idiot. This isn't minecraft, stop larping. Saying "I really wish the government wouldn't exist!!!" doesn't help the 40,000 people who died last year. It won't help the ones who died this year. And it won't help the ones who die next year. All it does is make you feel epic and super dooper smart. 

Irrational and homicidal. At least admit that like dullhawk and valued whatever did. Don't cling to the charade of wanting to help people, just embrace your selfishness. All you want are video games and jetpacks, who cares about the people who die in the process.  
  
(also reminder universal insurance is cheaper than what we have now, so even if you pretend to cling to "I want lower taxes!!!" pretending to be against it is just homicidal. Not financially conservative, just homicidal.)
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@jacobtothe ·
People don't have access to affordable medical care because we have had a century of political intervention driving up costs and reducing availability by legislative fiat. Creating a government monopoly doesn't address supply and demand, it hides costs and builds a bloated bureaucracy. It sounds nice, but it's not a real solution. While it may address some of the corporate cartel pricing bullshit, it doesn't actually increase the number of doctors and medicines. And I don't know about you, but I don't trust any government to understand the needs of my community, much less me as an individual.

"Universal insurance" may be cheaper than what we have now. Fiscally, anyway. What of other costs not calculated in currency? Further, I have never claimed the modern insurance industry has any basis in rational economic calculation, though. Instead, I have pointed out how insurance companies colluded with government for special privileges in order to gain political plunder. The solution is choice and an elimination of the plunder, not a monopoly.

I do want lower taxes. Taxation is theft. If your plan is so good, why can't we agree to dismantle the status quo, and allow people to choose? Remember, my rejection of your solution is not advocating murder and death and corporate collusion. Set down that straw man for just a moment.
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@cyberdemon531 ·
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You can't use that argument when all the universal healthcare systems in other countries give is data that doesn't align with your fantasy thesis.  
  
Your fantasy world is not congruent with the data, it's pointless. You will never dissolve the federal government tomorrow, it's pointless to try. What is actually possible is using the government to help those in need. You aren't a billionaire, no one will take anything from you. You are defending those with power and wealth beyond your wildest imaginations (and those imaginations are WILD, believe me) for the sake of a fantasy world in your head where you can say to yourself "I'll be them one day...." over and over like a lunatic. 

Meanwhile, 40,000 people die a year. Selfishness is disgusting, then again you didn't actually say you are trying to help people, so are you embracing it? Do you at least acknowledge your selfishness now?
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@jacobtothe ·
You say, "40,000 people die each year," that these deaths are preventable, the way to prevent them is a government monopoly in health care, and therefore disagreement is either selfishness or misanthropy.

Let's assume your numbers are accurate, just for the sake of argument, and that there is no cause for these deaths beyond medical access restrictions due to costs.

First, I do not say the status quo is good. I have repeatedly pointed out that the status quo is the destructive consequence of political plunder and corporate collusion in oposition the market process. You refuse to grasp this very important and very real distinction.

Second, there is ample evidence that market processes do reduce costs right now. Want links to clinics and doctors discussing the matter? Prescription medications, checkups, and even outpatient surgery costs plummet when the bureaucratoc bloat is lifted even with all the collusion in the background. We also have historical evidence of.voluntary solutions including doctors setting aside pro bono time, mutual aid societies funding health care pools, and charitable organizations.

Third, you have not addressed the economic calculation problem of governments and monopolies. It is real. You can't hand-wave it away.

Fourth, you started by saying ancaps are fake anarchists, and now you are defending a government monopoly funded by extortion while trying to claim the moral high ground? Why should I want to place one of the most important services for my well-being under the total control of the liars, thieves, and crooks in government?

Fifth, it is dirty pool to attack the person instead of their arguments. You continue to attack your perception of my motivations instead of addressing anything I have actually written.
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