RE: Anarchy Misunderstood by jacobtothe

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· @jacobtothe ·
People don't have access to affordable medical care because we have had a century of political intervention driving up costs and reducing availability by legislative fiat. Creating a government monopoly doesn't address supply and demand, it hides costs and builds a bloated bureaucracy. It sounds nice, but it's not a real solution. While it may address some of the corporate cartel pricing bullshit, it doesn't actually increase the number of doctors and medicines. And I don't know about you, but I don't trust any government to understand the needs of my community, much less me as an individual.

"Universal insurance" may be cheaper than what we have now. Fiscally, anyway. What of other costs not calculated in currency? Further, I have never claimed the modern insurance industry has any basis in rational economic calculation, though. Instead, I have pointed out how insurance companies colluded with government for special privileges in order to gain political plunder. The solution is choice and an elimination of the plunder, not a monopoly.

I do want lower taxes. Taxation is theft. If your plan is so good, why can't we agree to dismantle the status quo, and allow people to choose? Remember, my rejection of your solution is not advocating murder and death and corporate collusion. Set down that straw man for just a moment.
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@cyberdemon531 ·
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You can't use that argument when all the universal healthcare systems in other countries give is data that doesn't align with your fantasy thesis.  
  
Your fantasy world is not congruent with the data, it's pointless. You will never dissolve the federal government tomorrow, it's pointless to try. What is actually possible is using the government to help those in need. You aren't a billionaire, no one will take anything from you. You are defending those with power and wealth beyond your wildest imaginations (and those imaginations are WILD, believe me) for the sake of a fantasy world in your head where you can say to yourself "I'll be them one day...." over and over like a lunatic. 

Meanwhile, 40,000 people die a year. Selfishness is disgusting, then again you didn't actually say you are trying to help people, so are you embracing it? Do you at least acknowledge your selfishness now?
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@jacobtothe ·
You say, "40,000 people die each year," that these deaths are preventable, the way to prevent them is a government monopoly in health care, and therefore disagreement is either selfishness or misanthropy.

Let's assume your numbers are accurate, just for the sake of argument, and that there is no cause for these deaths beyond medical access restrictions due to costs.

First, I do not say the status quo is good. I have repeatedly pointed out that the status quo is the destructive consequence of political plunder and corporate collusion in oposition the market process. You refuse to grasp this very important and very real distinction.

Second, there is ample evidence that market processes do reduce costs right now. Want links to clinics and doctors discussing the matter? Prescription medications, checkups, and even outpatient surgery costs plummet when the bureaucratoc bloat is lifted even with all the collusion in the background. We also have historical evidence of.voluntary solutions including doctors setting aside pro bono time, mutual aid societies funding health care pools, and charitable organizations.

Third, you have not addressed the economic calculation problem of governments and monopolies. It is real. You can't hand-wave it away.

Fourth, you started by saying ancaps are fake anarchists, and now you are defending a government monopoly funded by extortion while trying to claim the moral high ground? Why should I want to place one of the most important services for my well-being under the total control of the liars, thieves, and crooks in government?

Fifth, it is dirty pool to attack the person instead of their arguments. You continue to attack your perception of my motivations instead of addressing anything I have actually written.
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@cyberdemon531 ·
the status quo is EXACTLY what you support, because we live in a "market anarchist" world where the rich buy those with power and manipulate them to do their dirty work. The only real difference is in your fantasy minecraft server, there wouldnt be laws like the civil rights act or voting rights act. thats it. thats the only difference. 

Again, the best health outcomes are in nations with government funded healthcare. you cannot argue against that, so you just resort to abstract "theory". we have data, you choose not to look at it, and then present your homicidal and murderous worldview down others throats like a dipshit who has never lost a loved one due to this system that affects millions of families.  
  
You're living in a FANTASY WORLD.

Look up Britain's NHS and look at how many people there are that are alive today because of it. 

You're an idiot who doesn't look at data. Anarchism isn't about dissolving the government tomorrow it's about reaching equality for all. We aren't playing minecraft, stop larping. 

You will NOT destroy the government, it's fantasy talk. We can use the government to return rights to the people and develop a stateless society over time during the next tech boom, but instead you want to play hunter gatherer minecraft edition and it shows how stupid you are and how you lack any and all empathy or concern for other people.

disgusting, unless you want to talk on discord and have a real debate, i'm done responding to you. Serial killer attitudes are just fucking gross and stupid. You have no sense of history and know literally nothing about economics. stupid stupid stupid. 
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