RE: Introducing the Steem Defender Bot. Designed to Protect Steem From Economic Collapse and Support Minnow Growth (Article) by berniesanders

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· @berniesanders · (edited)
$10.87
It's hilarious that you're talking about "upvote bots" yet using them as often as possible to upvote your own posts.

I suggest you reconsider this hypocrisy.  FYI - on Friday I'll have enough SP back to counter all of your purchased hypocritical votes.

It's also hella rude for you to flag those bots comments just to try to hide them from your post considering they're the ones providing all of your rewards.

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@bashadow ·
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It's okay @berniesanders, they just want to tell you who,what,when, and why to vote for someone. After all you are not <b>Smart enough</b> to do it yourself.

> Accounts that consistently either like their own content, and/or continuously like the content of the same accounts, and/or continuously like the content of accounts that have been associated as “bots” will lose influence every week. Accounts that consistently like content from users they haven't liked before gain influence.
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@fechaugger · (edited)
If this guy is honest about helping minnows, then self voting would be beneficial since his steem power will get a boost.
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@tarazkp ·
you seem to be confused about how it all works
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@mezmerizer9 ·
lol Feel the Bern?
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@earthnation ·
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@berniesanders We'd like to reflect back to you the hateful nature of your perspective. Were doing the best we can to share positivity and fantastic ideas/articles and thoughts with our shared community. 

Why do you spend so much of your time and energy attacking us?
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@earthnation ·
There are many different people using upvote bots. What in particular is bothering you so much about our usage of up-vote bots?
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@inquiringtimes · (edited)
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the reason you are being chosen, is because you use a tag that has nothing to do with your post, and you are a known spammer \ tag spammer \ plaigerist \ upvotebot abuser.   that simple
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@earthnation ·
@inquiringtimes we changed the steemfest tag upon your request. Everything we have ever posted is content owned by the EN. What other methods are we using that you consider to be "spam"?
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@earthnation · (edited)
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@berniesanders we found that having all of the bot comments makes it difficult for this article to be used as a conversation thread. We don't see why its rude to hide those comments, will you please elaborate on why you feel it is wrong for us to clear the comment space for other peoples solutions to be more easily seen?
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@inquiringtimes ·
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why the heck would you use a dozen upvote bots in the first place? and then flag them?  If i sold you a service, and then you flagged me, I wouldn't want you as my customer.... it's just ignorant.

also, ignorant is hitting your post with every upvote service in the steemiverse.

upvote bots are supposed to help you get a bit of visibility, so other **people** will read your post and decide to vote it or not.  you are using them like a junkie... it's quite a bit more socially acceptable to use them sparingly, and make better content if you don't get enough natural votes.

also, you can just upvote the comments you like and then the real comments rise.  I prefer a requested bot comment to some of the bs fake comments, tbh. flagging the vote bots that you paid for? smh.....
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@surfermarly · (edited)
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Maybe the author wanted to hide the fact that he paid for every vote buying service that exists on this platform to bring this piece of content into a trending position. Also the author used (pardon abused) the tag #steemfest and put the word 'minnow support' in the headline to improve visibility. This author pratices everythig but no minnow support. 
The tag abuse might be even an interesting issue for @steemcleaners.
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@i-juggler ·
Actually, this is quite funny. Our media agency has noticed that there is an inverse relationship between the number of bot comments and the number of human comments. The more bot comments there are, the less likely people seem to want to comment. Since it is the people we want to get in touch with, to create a relationship with the audience here before our Beta-launch in December, we wanted to encourage commenters as much as possible. We think it's important to create these relationships now, to show how authentic we are, as a side-effect of flipping the switch of our advertising potential is a significant adoption of Steemit by a wider audience. 

I find it really interesting that this causes such an emotional reaction in people, which is self-evident by the changes in their written diction when compared to other comments they make. I have to question why that is. What specifically perturbs you about any of the concerns you bring up? 

Personally, I feel the majority of people acting negatively are doing so unconsciously: that drama has been stirred up and everyone wants to jump on board and participate in the bashing. It is the thanatos of human nature that desires to call someone a junkie and willingly jumps on such an opportunity that seems favorable without social ramifications of doing so. Because it doesn't make sense that someone who aligns with esoteric philosophy to stand opposed to an organization that is actively promoting esoteric principles in alignment with highest collective good. Logically, in the big picture, it seems most likely that your concerns are arising from a short-sighted position that is not taking into consideration all the potential implications of the Earth Nation actions. Obviously, it's not an us vs them conflict, but to oppose us is to oppose an organization which actively strives to make the world a better place, and has a history of being transparent in how it is achieving this in a manner that grows the site and spreads the wealth with our steemit guild.

 In my opinion, that's where real ignorance lies.
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@futurethinker ·
Well said mate.
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@mooncryption ·
@earthnation, I believed censorship is a bad thing and that Steem should be an okay place for _everyone_ to get together and collaborate as a community.

You're ridiculing this principle just by _being_ here on Steemit. For the good of the rewards pool and for the good of our community, please stop milking upvote bots and promoting spammy content.
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@shello ·
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Out of all the accounts, I hope that you take this one out first. People may not like you, but you are my hero for calling them out on their shit. Everyone else just sees dollar signs and stays quiet. I don't like scammers, and spammers, and I appreciate what you do. 


You are a witness to believe in @nextgencrypto

With love,
shello
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@joshuatucker ·
"Out of all the accounts, I hope that you take this one out first."

The ability of a whale (or anybody bigger than you) to 'take out an account' is why A. serious authors won't invest their time/effort into steem and B. Steem will never hit mass adoption.

Applauding that behavior is not, in my opinion, in any way supporting Steemit.
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@winstonwolfe · (edited)
$0.30
Serious authors offering genuine content have nothing to fear. Offering bogus "fixes" to "problems" with totally contrived nonsense, however....
I like to think of the user base on this platform to be its own immune system. The people in this post who are heavily opposed to this idea are people who know what they're doing, and most have done it for years now. Their methods may be....interesting....but the point is they react based on the knowledge they have, not because they don't like outsiders or whatever bullshit. Whether or not it looks like it, they've got the platform's best interests in mind here. Ultimately, if someone doesn't want their account "taken out", then it's best not to do something detrimental or scammy to the system. That's pretty much the gist of it.
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@natord ·
>FYI - on Friday I'll have enough SP back to counter all of your purchased hypocritical votes.

I didn't expect that you will come back here with power. If this is true, then that would be great :)
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@berniesanders ·
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@i-juggler ·
What do you feel when you "handle" these posts?

Why do you feel that way?

Are you "handling" posts for a perceived good, or to unconsciously boost your ego?
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@tarazkp ·
:)
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@surfermarly ·
$1.29
Thank you, Bernie!

> For this example let’s assume the Hedge-Fund originally buys 100M Steem with 84M USD worth of Cryptocurrency. (...) When the Price of Steem goes from 0.84 to 7 dollars per Steem because of this move, that 100M worth of Steem is now worth 700M. 

Such a nonsense wouldn't have ever made it to the trending page without buying the position.
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@nokodemion ·
I just wrote an algorithm that naked short sells BTC. I'm going to sell the algorithm to the Citadel tomorrow, so you'd better get out today. :)
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@isacoin ·
i see what your concerns were with a post like this but you could end the bots and still have same problem with the amount of whales that sell their votes and when smts come everyone will be able to sell there voting in some way
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@surfermarly ·
This is not about bots, it's about abuse and scam. You may also consider the comments from a bunch of established users here that got much more into detail than I did. 

> still have same problem with the amount of whales that sell their votes 

Amount of whales.. Where do you get these numbers from?

I'm pretty sure SMTs are not invented to encourage vote trading but to strenghthen the overall value of Steem. That's at least what I got from the whitepaper and videos so far.
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@i-juggler ·
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>FYI - on Friday I'll have enough SP back to counter all of your purchased hypocritical votes.

Some people fight for noble causes, to bring the Earth and its people to a better place. I see you have other priorities.

I find it genuinely interesting that you find it rude to downvote bots. I'm serious about being genuine: understanding people's value systems is something I really like delving into. What is the source of this perceived rudeness? Basically, I'm asking you directly: why are you spending your most precious resource, time, doing something that counter-acts collective goodness? That doesn't seem like something a rational person does. What do you gain/what do you think you're accomplishing? Why does berniesanders wake up in the morning/what purpose do you want your hands to work towards?

We have actually fostered a relationship with several of the bot owners, so it's not like we're taking what we can get and snubbing the owners. Likewise, we are using this to step into the forefront of Steemit to both grow the entire platform and spread the wealth with our Steemit guild; a process which we have been open and transparent about - even communicating with the developers of the site about the state, growth, and foreseeable problems of the site. From a position of knowledge, I find it very difficult for you to posit a counter argument that does not simultaneously align with the stagnation of the systemic growth of Steemit.
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@earthnation · (edited)
@berniesanders @inquiringtimes @surfermarly @fulltimegeek @sneak @noisy and everyone else who is reacting negativley to this posting.... 

If you want to see the steem community grow.... we recommend trying positive communication instead of immidiantly smashing down on what you don't like. 

There is no guide to steem. No list of steem community protocols we've been able to find. No way for us to know what to and not to do.... So we're doing the best we can to figure out how to be here in a good way. 

In an move to share an interesting conversation and offer help and thoughts towards solutions for steem.... You have met us with a lot of hate. 

In the future, we invite you to be kinder to new people coming into this community offering to share. It will go a very long way towards the growth of this community. 

So. Is there a cut off limit of what is too much to boost? At what point can we use mercenary upvote bots without attracting your wrath? If any of our posts hit trending now, are you going to shoot us down? 

What will it take for us to be in peace? 

@inquiringtimes we changed the steemfest tag since you mentioned that this post is considering spam in that catagory. We'd like you to know we never post plagurized information. We're interested in what else you think were doing that is considered spam by the steem community? 

In General.... we want to be on good terms with all of the steem community. If you will just communicate with us how to best do that, that would be great! Please, consider writing a guide on standard community protocols and make that guide available to everyone so new people coming into steem don't have to learn "The hard way" by having all this emotional reactions/downvotes sent their way.
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@winstonwolfe ·
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>If you want to see the steem community grow.... we recommend trying positive communication instead of immidiantly smashing down on what you don't like.

In other words, drink, be merry, and nevermind the man behind the curtain? Just be blissfully ignorant while you scam on?
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@earthnation ·
Will you elaborate on what you think were scamming on about?
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@acidyo ·
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>If you want to see the steem community grow...

Just stop that. Our community is growing at a healthy pace. We don't need the help of phonies like you and no we are not going to tell you how to maximize your vote buying abuse without getting flags.
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@earthnation ·
Why do you seem so hurt by us @acidyo? Were on your side too. We don't mean to "abuse vote buying".
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@godcomplex ·
It's not really growing at a healthy pace but a snail pace. We don't even have a million users after the first year!
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@berniesanders ·
**Can you tell us about this aspect of your scheme?**

 ✅  Earn 50$ worth of steem power to get started with by joining the EN Steem Team. By joining you also benefit from the advanced academy, our trending post boosting service, upvotes, resteems and support from our entire community (including the EN whale).

✅  It costs 100$ worth of Keys or Keys Credits to join the Steem Guild. Send the Keys to avatareducationteam@gmail.com and fill out the form below to get started.

Sounds pretty suspicious to me...  

**I'm really glad you paid to have this post put on the trending page.  It's getting a lot of great visibility.**
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@earthnation · (edited)
We would love to show you what we do and what were really on about over a phone or video call @berniesanders.
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@earthnation ·
@berniesanders @inquiringtimes @surfermarly @fulltimegeek @sneak @noisy and the rest of steem.

We love you! We're sorry if our tactics have hurt you, offended you, pissed you off or created other negative reactions. 

We don't mean to abuse upvote bots or spam steem. Were the new kid on the block trying to figure out how it all works. Based on what seems to be popular consensus we have decided to stop using up-vote bots the way we have. 

We want to engage with you and all of steem in a good way. By adding valueable content and inspiring dialogue. In the future, please be kind with us if we seem to be overstepping any invisible rules (like using up-vote bots too much).
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@earthnation ·
We'd like to point out that this post has become one of the biggest dialogues on Steemit. We hope some of you appreciate this medium for conversation about the future of Steem. 

Congradulations to @dj123 for providing the most in depth and well thought out responses as to why the steem economic system is more bulletproof then we originally thought. It will go a long way for Steem to make this information (and other pieces of key informatiom, like how pissed off some people get when you use upvote bots too much) more readily and easily available. 

We will be compiling all of this information and more into our Free Steem Academy. 

To read what dj123 wrote go to https://steemit.com/steemit/@earthnation/introducing-the-steem-defender-bot-designed-to-protect-steem-from-economic-collapse-and-support-minnow-growth-article#@dj123/re-dj123-re-josephlwiess-re-earthnation-re-josephlwiess-re-earthnation-introducing-the-steem-defender-bot-designed-to-protect-steem-from-economic-collapse-and-support-minnow-growth-article-20171114t145201583z
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@dj123 · (edited)
Not to split hairs....but the longest post just this month alone was **@StellaBella** at 45+K words, which dwalf the size of this post by more than double the size :)

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**Steemit: Where Attention Seeking 1st World Post and Angsty Replies Make Opening Steem Links Difficult for 3rd World Country Steemians**
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souce: pinterest</sub>
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**@StellaBella**'s Post a Sight to Behold for Stirring the <del>Hornet's</del> / Steemian's nest:  https://steemit.com/deathspiral/@stellabelle/is-steemit-in-an-economic-and-social-suicide-death-spiral
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@shello ·
$2.72
![SAME COMMENT 42 TIMES.png](https://steemitimages.com/DQmddvFjDadusfgi6Ugcj4Kb1PqGYFzGzSNJyYm9AsG3WTf/SAME%20COMMENT%2042%20TIMES.png)


1- The same comment 42 TIMES IN A ROW. Changing only the name of who it is addressed to. Commented to Steemian's blogs, without a genuine comment or concern for original topic matter.

![spam comment in question.png](https://steemitimages.com/DQmNkPAv2jcwEpNUE6syc8JDb2fvQWfgpnJD3GC6ttxfNS9/spam%20comment%20in%20question.png)

>"Were the new kid on the block trying to figure out how it all works."

2- How do you fix something you don't understand? This is the comment in question.

![which one is it.png](https://steemitimages.com/DQmTg3ZbpTc4JrEn9YEqmGEMAq5ZqzJZn6T3bNyaKbNupCU/which%20one%20is%20it.png)

3- DID YOU KNOW... That Earthnation DOUBLED their "following" in two weeks? 20 Million people.

![this is NOT you.png](https://steemitimages.com/DQmV1Jxvc3cdhpio4kppTTTDD2r45hbfuS9U4EcWxnztJba/this%20is%20NOT%20you.png)

4- On top of Facebook, Weebly, their original site linked below, they rebranded! But New Earth Nation is NOT them, only earth nation. BUT! They made a community on this site, where anyone can make a group. Like their name? This is the list of who they are trying to "partner" with.

Not them.

https://newearthnation.org/

This is them.

http://tribeofawakeningsovereignty.com/manifesto/action-plan/

![want to partner.png](https://steemitimages.com/DQmTuG2kgweZCBZfzzisBNyMP1UVXam8Pi4ynGEWBR2TwYt/want%20to%20partner.png)

5- Why so secret? Earth nation wants to reach out privately to anyone they think has authority to become partners in their plan. Vote for Vote, Follow for Follow dear. Steemit is decentralized, nobody has supreme ruling over others you know? 

>"Accounts that consistently either like their own content, and/or continuously like the content of the same accounts, and/or continuously like the content of accounts that have been associated as “bots” will lose influence every week."

Stop people from voting the same authors? GOLD.

![DQmaD4z4mfxRwNHbuyTjkb73t4N1W7etZZxWXnda8QpGVKb_1680x8400.png](https://steemitimages.com/DQmUysZf4GDab2gpYyRhTb4qKiXg7cJm5gpNwPbf9Cb4MGS/DQmaD4z4mfxRwNHbuyTjkb73t4N1W7etZZxWXnda8QpGVKb_1680x8400.png)

6- Screencap I have taken of the original article for written here:

https://asc.ai/2017/09/06/return-to-love/

Then a few months later copy/pasted here word for word:

https://steemit.com/love/@earthnation/what-is-love

Don't forget to buy all the upgoats for it! Only one article, nobody will notice! The others did check out, so why would people check all the articles?

![how come no cite.png](https://steemitimages.com/DQmNzNykhBcBRF3tVaRNmUwuj3jQhFbsabSpNoZkXimTtsJ/how%20come%20no%20cite.png)

7- Citing articles is important, but there is no love for the original photographers or artists, whatsoever.

![no cite 2.png](https://steemitimages.com/DQmVD4qmZHSdxQQwV4U8v3DAwrh8AE8u9Tcv4ZVv4CMq8vz/no%20cite%202.png)

DID YOU KNOW? That you can check to see if an image is original or not?

https://www.tineye.com/

![no cite 3.png](https://steemitimages.com/DQmQnFnyrFo5jyhAaLBW2SgM1hVN9Mdk1TR1XwqtXAi5bEN/no%20cite%203.png)

Surely, no one will check this out, and realize that we didn't credit anyone for these.

![no cite 4.png](https://steemitimages.com/DQmdrGCLgxF8TLk4Yfa73NN6DMA8tBLRfwkpqKGYCrAQJf7/no%20cite%204.png)

We used to cite, but it's not important for images anymore. Everyone forgot.

![no cite 5.png](https://steemitimages.com/DQmRFCGbXGT7Dcdwu9hTV6zSfZtZevFA1BJYcbWVvCYwniS/no%20cite%205.png)

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>"There is no guide to steem. No list of steem community protocols we've been able to find."

If you actually use the site, and browse for a little while, you will find many guides to help new people on Steemit. They are everywhere. This is one of my favorite ones, please enjoy c:

https://steemit.com/welcome/@inquiringtimes/333-welcome-to-steemit-333

8- DID YOU KNOW? That we can freely see all of everyone's interactions with each other on Steemit? True transparency! So, we know that you only vote and comment those who support your agenda. You don't care about any other people and their own projects,  but yourselves and what you are trying to achieve. 

https://steemd.com/@earthnation

Why should we care about you?

What in the actual Christopher Columbus are you guys trying to pull? 

9- The "invisible rules" you may be concerned about is called "etiquette", and "culture", you should look up what those words mean. You don't just go to another place, and try to take over. You are not the solution to everyone's problems, especially if you don't even know what they are.

All you had to do was apologize, and try to fix your own problems instead of trying to justify every single thing you do, people are people. 

We don't need you guys to "help us grow Steemit", actually- I don't think we need you guys at all.
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@mooncryption · (edited)
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Thanks @shello for bringing these points up. 

Unfortunately, in my view, @earthnation is no different from the spam bots and follow-for-follow beggars I see every day at Steemit and Steemit Chat. Those bots make no effort to conceal themselves, and their true intent is obvious at first glance.

But with @earthnation, things have been concealed with some kind of "effort" to help grow Steem, or spread Steem to some 20 million "followers". It's a problem that these kinds of pleas can get so many votes to boost them onto the Trending page.

@berniesanders, when you're through with @earthnation, thank you for paying attention and taking action when it matters.
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@mooncryption ·
$0.05
> Here in the Earth Nation, we REALLY LOVE STEEM.

Sorry for this extra comment, but I just noticed that @earthnation is currently _powering down._ Pretty contrary to their 'we love steem' attitude. But then again, I guess their spam, abuse towards voting bots, and reward pool destruction don't help their 'we love steem' views as well.

Oh well.
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@shello ·
This is what Steemit abuse is. Spam, plagiarism, and upfront abuse. Powering down? 

This is a huge red flag, trying to get away with the rewards. They are caught, and now they're trying to leave.

Good catch.
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@marcovanhassel ·
Just wanted to let you know I can't wait until you start the destruction. Happy to see that somebody is stepping up to take care of business. Good luck come friday 🤘
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@btcvenom ·
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I am glad you are going to take action against this page. They even had the cheek to reach out to my project @paywithsteem asking for a partnership and asked me to send them SBD for it!
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@anarcho-andrei ·
Get 'em!  I don't have much else to contribute, since it's already been said, but this needs to be nuked into oblivion.  *They* need to be nuked into oblivion.
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