Very similar proposal I have [posted](https://steemit.com/steemmonsters/@hotbit/request-please-cut-reward-edition-cards-supply) a month ago. Not much feedback, none from founders. You have my vote.

Hi @rentmoney I agree with you that the Reward Cards are handed out to generously. I don't know exactly the timeline and player base numbers that are needed to calculate on how to distribute the new cards evenly over time. 
But from my feeling I would agree that the ratio between the lowest reward league Bronze 3 / 5 cards and Champion 1 / 150 cards = Ratio 30:1 is too high. What you are proposing is a Ratio of 15:1 that sounds more fair to me.
Like I said the correct amount of cards, if 1 or 3 or 5 for Bronze 3 league, thats what I really don't know. I hope that @yabapmatt and @aggroed are considering every aspect of there decision in regards to player base, timeline and overall gameplay experience to build a deck for new players.

One thing I don't get is that if it's a decentralized game why steemmonsters community don't decide which decision to take?

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I disagree. I discussed with rentmoney on Discord and it basically came down to this:

**Rentmoney says:** 
1. 20 cards for Champion I is just too much. Of course higher leagues should get higher rewards, but the 20:1 ratio is just too high!
2. All leagues got their rewards reduced, except for champion I!

**Pizzachain says:** 20 cards is perfectly fine for multiple reasons:
1. People who get into champion I have most definitely invested much more than the people who are in bronze league. For bronze league, all you need is a small amount of cards (the starter pack is enough), whilst you're going to need maxed/almost maxed decks to get into champion I. 
2. Bronze league isn't really a competitive league. It's more like a starter-league // a learning phase. Once you understand how the game works, you can easily get into Silver League, even with just some level 1 cards. Once you learn how to play the game well and once you've honed the right skills, you'll be able to get deep into silver and, using the reward cards you got, you can enter the gold league. 

Whilst champion I is really for the best players, using the best cards. It's really hard to get there, even for people who have a fully maxed deck. As you see in the picture below, there's really just a couple of people in Champion I:
![](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmYrSLCxQe1c1ekamDho6qPzJNwkQorbDf16nUmvxS3p4i/image.png)

Only 6 players are in Champion I at the moment!

So the 20:1 ratio really only counts for the extreme cases: The really good players with (close to) maxed decks vs the really bad/new players with small level 1 decks.

TL;DR -- Even with level 1 cards and not too much skills, you can easily get to silver. Champion I, however, is really only for the best few players. The 20:1 ratio is therefor a really extreme comparison between the most skillfull players with the best decks vs the worst/newest players with the worst decks.

I hope steemmonsters doesn't make the same mistakes steemit made.  New users are the lifeblood of any community.  Need to always be growing user base.  ALWAYS

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Im not in to Steem-monster yet but i think i would start thanks to you

I Haven’t got a reward card yet,
I Can't open current battle,
My cards are all sent by friends,
It seems that you can't play without opening a new card bag.

I am pretty sure that you have to invest 200x to reach champion I, compared to bronze. So maybe 20x is too small?

It takes courage to tell the truth when your opinion is not popular.  I recognize it and commend you for your point here @rentmoney.  I also like that you give a suggestion that you think is fair.  

You are right that people are going to be turned off... they already are.  Last season I had at least a dozen decks quit playing for FREE due to that cut.  I shutter to think what will happen in a few days after they see the new rewards system.  

The problem people don't realize is this is a solution to weaken the bots overall influence, yet what it really does is weaken the human players. While it might help for a couple days or weeks, what it is really doing is taking out human players that say "f' it, these bots are no fun AND I get no reward".   Its happening already... such a shame and so unnecessary.

These Mavericks have some good ones and bad ones (why don't the good ones stop their buddies that build all those destructive bots that are raping everyone?)... But more importantly,  they have done Aggy and Matt a disservice, and forced a split between the rich and poor... bots and humans... basically the same issues as people have with steemit... By focusing on **THEIR** own pocketbooks, they have turned their short-term worries for a return into a realization that this is a "pay for play" system.  SM had to move to appease the big boys and now we see the repercussions and the ripples.

I applaud you very much for standing up for what you know is right, and we all know deep down that your points are valid and make sense.  

I have tons of faith in Matt as a person, and think both he and Aggy are trying to appease everyone right now and learning day by day.  I am holding my cards purchased (at this point) because I think they will reach a crossroads where they get to make the right decision again.  The potential is huge and this is just a small bump on the learning curve and hopefully the pain will teach in the process!

For the record the rewards are ok as they are, for now.

This is not poker, although it will always attract poker players, but that doesn't make it poker.

Your argument stems from a Fixed Mindset. Resources are limited and you need to protect investment. I get it.

But it doesn't matter. Only short term thinkers/investors are worried.

People with a growth mindset don't care because they foresee an abundance of players, scooping up the cards and driving up prices. (And there are many of us)

We aren't there yet, but if we just accept the status quo for a few weeks and let yabapmatt finish off our flagship product, we might find a new light to guide us.

You proved your point about about pack rewards, and now we have none, someone else published some bogus reward values, and now we have less.

I don't see how either will help us to attract new players. 

Maybe investors will come but I'd rather have players who love the game than fat wallets who will whine the moment their investment is heading south.

The moment this becomes more about investment than the game, I'm out.

The cards are limited, so when you attract enough new players who want to level up, basic economics suggest the prices will rise.

You are a smart guy and I'd love to hear your thoughts on how we can grow the user base.

Ping me if you ever write such a post and I'll be sure to read it.

I think these rewards will change over time whne player dynamics change. Currently we have very little amount of players in the top levels. It's practically impossible to get beyond Gold without massive investment. I personally don't mind the Daily reward structure. But the season rewards massively favor those in the top. They did sink in  lot of money and they do deserve larger rewards. But when the gap is so large lower tier players are almost never going to beat someone who invested big bucks into the game making the game a little less competitive and more stale over large period of time.

I think, the rewardsystem is ok now and also, that the „early birds“ in Steemmonsters got better and more cards. 
It‘s ok to earn free cards on playing, but if you buy the right ones for small money, you can easier win and get more cards!

Greets Robert

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