<center>http://ypolitick.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/POP-the-vote.jpg</center> In my past two articles I have tackled the complex theory of voting and how it applies to discovering the will of the people and ultimately the “authority” of government. There has been quite a bit of vocal resistance to my proposed idea of negating someone else’s vote. I would like to take a moment to discuss the nature of this resistance. ## Negative Voting would create a Culture of Hate When you vote for a different candidate than your friend it isn’t taken personally, but if you opt to negate your friends vote instead it suddenly becomes *very personal*. This is probably true. Even though the reality is that your friend is canceling your vote anyway, people irrationally feel like something has been taken from them. The truth is that something has been taken from them: the illusion that their vote matters. The illusion that their opinion isn’t being canceled out by some anonymous stranger on the other side of the country. Now it is being canceled by someone with a name. The result is misplaced anger being directed at the person who chooses to cancel you out. No one ever stops to consider that the individual who canceled you out has just as much right to be angry at you for voting to support policies that would harm them. Their vote has already been canceled by you! We currently live in a culture where people can numb themselves to the consequences of their vote. They never have to face the victim. You want free health care? Great! You just got nullified by the person who was going to have to pay for it. The existing culture of voting is like piloting a UAV and bombing people you have never met in a distant land. Mean while those people in a distant land are attempting to bomb you with their own UAVs. Neither side has met one another, but both are willing to hurt each other for their own benefit. There is bound to be less death and destruction in a society where people get to put a name and face on the individual who is countering their attempts at abuse of power. Instead people will migrate their own public opinions toward things that don't infringe on the rights of others. As soon as your vote or opinion violates someone else's right, you better believe it will get nullified by them. Only those who support solutions that do not violate someone else's human right will have a chance to avoid nullification. This will certainly create a culture of peace and understanding, not one of hate. ## A Stable Environment Once you have identified someone whom you want to counter, there is little reason to change your opinion unless you find someone *even worse* who hasn’t already been countered. This means that over time there would be relatively little “politics” to discuss because everyone who is in violent disagreement with others has all ready been nullified. This means that your friends and family and almost everyone you know has probably been nullified and will be nullified by someone their entire life. Politics, elections, and voting would not be a topic of general discussion. If you want your “right to vote back”, then all you need to do is convince the person nullifying you that there is someone even worse who isn’t currently nullified. Once the two of you reach consensus then one of you can get your ability to cast a positive vote back (the other one will nullify the greater evil). ## Votes for Sale The next point of concern is that if there is a public database of voters and who they are canceling (necessary to determine who can cast a positive vote), that people could pay others to cast negative votes. The right to vote includes the freedom to vote for *any reason*. Denying someone the right to vote because you don’t like their *reason* is tyrannical. Everyone votes for *selfish reasons*. It is like denying a woman the right to sell sexual services. Her body, her vote. The truth is that is is cheaper to buy votes with propaganda than with direct offers of payment. Anyone willing to buy or sell their vote would probably get canceled out by someone against that practice. At the end of the day buying and selling of voters is a free market solution to resolving political differences in a voluntary manner. ## No Right to Abuse Vote This is an interesting paradox because who gets to decide what is and isn’t abuse? Shall we vote on it? Is a vote to declare something abuse also abuse? This is a hypocritical position that assumes some universal standard of right and wrong. If such a standard existed then there would be no need to vote in the first place. ## Conclusion People are irrational yet believe they are perfectly sane. They will take personal offense any time anyone attempts to expose the disconnect between reality and their own delusions. This isn’t a reason to abandon a system of negative voting, but rather a reason to implement it. Anything that forces people to come face to face with reality and stop hiding their violent tendencies behind an anonymous voting box will lead to a more civil society.
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dantheman | 0 | 28,443,250,217,108 | 100% | ||
barrie | 0 | 680,860,549,931 | 100% | ||
steempty | 0 | 7,451,114,218,543 | 100% | ||
anonymous | 0 | 28,850,806,703 | 0.2% | ||
summon | 0 | 2,929,899,599,713 | 20% | ||
alphabet | 0 | 3,699,020,257,575 | 100% | ||
excalibur | 0 | 3,574,929,131,297 | 100% | ||
firstclass | 0 | 7,463,836,585,265 | 100% | ||
blackjack | 0 | 11,305,561,190,766 | 100% | ||
freedom | 0 | 5,979,126,944,752 | 100% | ||
highasfuck | 0 | 90,602,011,022 | 100% | ||
hr1 | 0 | 2,236,982,553,218 | 100% | ||
fuzzyvest | 0 | 6,719,133,737,302 | 100% | ||
boy | 0 | 3,081,916,893 | 100% | ||
xeroc | 0 | 2,015,015,723,481 | 100% | ||
bue-witness | 0 | 3,740,303,245 | 100% | ||
bunny | 0 | 708,316,771 | 100% | ||
complexring | 0 | 971,979,719,353 | 25% | ||
bue | 0 | 51,899,312,908 | 100% | ||
mini | 0 | 1,652,193,678 | 100% | ||
moon | 0 | 208,859,432 | 100% | ||
lovejoy | 0 | 234,094,185,924 | 100% | ||
alex90342fastn1 | 0 | 101,650,413,439 | 100% | ||
aizensou | 0 | 31,190,930,213 | 100% | ||
recursive2 | 0 | 430,861,843,473 | 100% | ||
recursive3 | 0 | 429,543,134,076 | 100% | ||
recursive | 0 | 2,666,742,297,741 | 100% | ||
bonapartist | 0 | 108,172,756,028 | 100% | ||
boombastic | 0 | 781,527,156,215 | 100% | ||
bingo-0 | 0 | 8,799,489,682 | 100% | ||
bingo-1 | 0 | 2,286,366,635 | 100% | ||
officialfuzzy | 0 | 343,754,385,501 | 100% | ||
proctologic | 0 | 30,110,661,836 | 100% | ||
healthcare | 0 | 612,996,461 | 100% | ||
daniel.pan | 0 | 882,260,200 | 100% | ||
donkeypong | 0 | 53,236,685,274 | 1% | ||
dedriss | 0 | 26,341,458,009 | 100% | ||
konelectric | 0 | 2,370,878,969 | 100% | ||
team | 0 | 127,290,323,721 | 100% | ||
chitty | 0 | 264,937,785,417 | 100% | ||
linouxis9 | 0 | 109,121,477,769 | 100% | ||
helen.tan | 0 | 287,294,619 | 100% | ||
valtr | 0 | 14,048,322,515 | 100% | ||
noaommerrr | 0 | 144,009,095,740 | 100% | ||
acidsun | 0 | 88,887,907,801 | 100% | ||
merlinscat | 0 | 28,018,270,985 | 100% | ||
tshering-tamang | 0 | 45,121,627,638 | 100% | ||
chryspano | 0 | 410,747,720,364 | 100% | ||
craig-grant | 0 | 8,267,078,982 | 0% | ||
sandwich | 0 | 15,179,735,700 | 100% | ||
nastrom | 0 | 2,695,394,151 | 100% | ||
easteagle13 | 0 | 76,040,409,000 | 100% | ||
ppitonak | 0 | 3,980,438,559 | 100% | ||
ervin-lemark | 0 | 15,954,120,126 | 100% | ||
camilla | 0 | 198,229,069,302 | 100% | ||
cyan91 | 0 | 12,841,364,431 | 100% | ||
jamtaylor | 0 | 144,215,000,582 | 100% | ||
carlos-cabeza | 0 | 2,849,349,893 | 100% | ||
eeks | 0 | 642,780,720,725 | 100% | ||
fkn | 0 | 19,997,682,226 | 100% | ||
paco-steem | 0 | 489,388,920 | 100% | ||
sunjata | 0 | 3,939,936,081 | 100% | ||
spaninv | 0 | 5,655,428,250 | 100% | ||
gekko | 0 | 1,876,402,646 | 100% | ||
teamsteem | 0 | 330,382,855,975 | 100% | ||
elishagh1 | 0 | 24,912,597,308 | 100% | ||
cryptoctopus | 0 | 1,729,257,568,377 | 100% | ||
taoofsatoshi | 0 | 6,766,052,393 | 100% | ||
daycrypter | 0 | 3,411,422,842 | 100% | ||
jerome-colley | 0 | 6,853,222,126 | 100% | ||
limitless | 0 | 101,553,879,878 | 100% | ||
kefkius | 0 | 7,708,212,237 | 100% | ||
hannixx42 | 0 | 56,620,804,082 | 100% | ||
andygreen | 0 | 421,708,617 | 100% | ||
amartinezque | 0 | 103,600,368,389 | 100% | ||
alenevaa | 0 | 2,319,013,531 | 100% | ||
coar | 0 | 1,701,528,753 | 100% | ||
asch | 0 | 62,165,215,543 | 100% | ||
kevinwong | 0 | 301,314,080,917 | 100% | ||
murh | 0 | 1,449,142,782 | 33.01% | ||
dke | 0 | 402,198,293 | 100% | ||
edtorrez | 0 | 284,624,952 | 100% | ||
blakemiles84 | 0 | 299,614,402,725 | 100% | ||
tinfoilfedora | 0 | 77,292,376,131 | 100% | ||
marta-zaidel | 0 | 6,030,797,310 | 100% | ||
leprechaun | 0 | 924,089,406 | 100% | ||
vippero | 0 | 20,516,120,555 | 100% | ||
cyber | 0 | 415,766,098,443 | 100% | ||
btcturbo | 0 | 12,496,059,235 | 100% | ||
akaninyene-etuk | 0 | 153,611,600 | 100% | ||
pixellated | 0 | 46,754,722,263 | 100% | ||
java1959 | 0 | 218,091,463,391 | 100% | ||
irit | 0 | 139,105,642 | 100% | ||
btotherest | 0 | 11,662,293,166 | 100% | ||
crossroads | 0 | 8,582,426,045 | 100% | ||
johnerfx | 0 | 10,358,205,634 | 100% | ||
taoteh1221 | 0 | 265,057,245,991 | 100% | ||
givemeyoursteem | 0 | 7,899,898,521 | 100% | ||
stiletto | 0 | 382,663,931 | 100% | ||
the-alien | 0 | 445,441,222,471 | 100% | ||
hedge-x | 0 | 206,936,320,329 | 100% | ||
juanmiguelsalas | 0 | 50,929,645,826 | 100% | ||
samether | 0 | 19,627,867,516 | 100% | ||
pangur-ban | 0 | 2,902,238,379 | 100% | ||
thecryptodrive | 0 | 57,561,797,804 | 100% | ||
imyao | 0 | 3,530,595,047 | 100% | ||
chris-bell | 0 | 19,851,684,443 | 100% | ||
kaylinart | 0 | 75,472,468,501 | 100% | ||
everythink | 0 | 22,383,555,080 | 100% | ||
brandonp | 0 | 47,310,799,159 | 100% | ||
benthegameboy | 0 | 1,474,113,916 | 100% | ||
facer | 0 | 13,375,902,204 | 100% | ||
tim-johnston | 0 | 72,243,638,384 | 100% | ||
magdalena | 0 | 410,086,629 | 100% | ||
schro | 0 | 129,029,801,994 | 100% | ||
johnerminer | 0 | 865,733,622 | 100% | ||
g-dubs | 0 | 3,190,131,473 | 100% | ||
tee-em | 0 | 1,095,278,575 | 100% | ||
michaelx | 0 | 38,665,425,627 | 100% | ||
thedashguy | 0 | 104,063,693,412 | 100% | ||
grandpere | 0 | 3,713,568,595 | 100% | ||
mark-waser | 0 | 2,272,901,704 | 100% | ||
sean-king | 0 | 1,415,963,570,365 | 100% | ||
albertogm | 0 | 81,955,662,273 | 100% | ||
geoffrey | 0 | 41,098,075,973 | 100% | ||
kimziv | 0 | 247,219,551,688 | 100% | ||
alex-hulsmeier | 0 | 1,024,734,560 | 100% | ||
christoph3 | 0 | 721,908,949 | 100% | ||
jparty | 0 | 18,811,698,064 | 100% | ||
mammasitta | 0 | 447,478,082 | 100% | ||
talanhorne | 0 | 625,600,061 | 0% | ||
fuck.off | 0 | 4,900,297,106 | 100% | ||
engineercampus | 0 | 7,358,679,065 | 100% | ||
iloveporn | 0 | 6,675,366,345 | 100% | ||
treeshaface | 0 | 42,349,871,132 | 100% | ||
the.bot | 0 | 2,435,481,551 | 100% | ||
johnbradshaw | 0 | 8,117,915,228 | 100% | ||
primus | 0 | 6,293,658,131 | 100% | ||
damirkatusic | 0 | 13,995,354,094 | 100% | ||
djm34 | 0 | 26,164,584,990 | 100% | ||
skapaneas | 0 | 14,124,515,587 | 100% | ||
bigs21024 | 0 | 1,049,976,169 | 100% | ||
arcaneinfo | 0 | 5,341,936,106 | 100% | ||
the.whale | 0 | 5,661,686,444 | 100% | ||
venuspcs | 0 | 49,608,042,084 | 100% | ||
michaellamden68 | 0 | 1,541,003,273 | 100% | ||
nobodyishome | 0 | 7,063,140,077 | 100% | ||
ericvancewalton | 0 | 98,241,846,181 | 100% | ||
freeflowbc | 0 | 2,296,408,720 | 100% | ||
stompy | 0 | 261,479,355 | 100% | ||
good-karma | 0 | 4,568,790,993 | 100% | ||
unicornfarts | 0 | 5,364,742,785 | 100% | ||
orly | 0 | 1,875,242,947 | 100% | ||
joshbreslauer | 0 | 100,244,953,935 | 100% | ||
tomkirkham | 0 | 182,807,247,197 | 100% | ||
bitcointop | 0 | 1,047,425,273 | 100% | ||
soupernerd | 0 | 2,184,466,914 | 100% | ||
robrigo | 0 | 91,978,178,000 | 100% | ||
allycat | 0 | 9,106,330,573 | 100% | ||
hitmeasap | 0 | 22,487,327,497 | 100% | ||
vote | 0 | 5,662,228,473 | 100% | ||
individ | 0 | 243,975,823 | 100% | ||
hakise | 0 | 20,014,804,427 | 100% | ||
chhayll | 0 | 126,049,901,584 | 100% | ||
stranger27 | 0 | 1,550,902,210 | 100% | ||
aidar88 | 0 | 165,497,533 | 100% | ||
yogi.artist | 0 | 9,028,602,921 | 100% | ||
kissmybutt | 0 | 5,961,446,402 | 100% | ||
r4fken | 0 | 31,796,917,271 | 100% | ||
thealexander | 0 | 238,820,873 | 100% | ||
steemswede | 0 | 507,251,405 | 100% | ||
anwar78 | 0 | 1,157,946,911 | 100% | ||
derekareith | 0 | 38,651,167,479 | 100% | ||
picokernel | 0 | 8,799,759,779 | 100% | ||
shayne | 0 | 1,170,042,000 | 100% | ||
freiheit | 0 | 17,688,636,149 | 100% | ||
domino | 0 | 224,927,395,324 | 100% | ||
furion | 0 | 36,201,986,046 | 100% | ||
cdubendo | 0 | 89,285,834,419 | 100% | ||
owdy | 0 | 1,901,738,864 | 100% | ||
ch0c0latechip | 0 | 500,629,297 | 100% | ||
crypt0 | 0 | 101,672,192,057 | 100% | ||
vi1son | 0 | 1,368,730,756 | 100% | ||
lovenugz | 0 | 12,811,473,294 | 100% | ||
knircky | 0 | 110,008,424,342 | 100% | ||
mrgreen | 0 | 15,260,213,532 | 100% | ||
ausbitbank | 0 | 19,450,808,780 | 100% | ||
pino | 0 | 15,602,880,333 | 100% | ||
dicov | 0 | 1,081,471,970 | 100% | ||
zhuvazhuva | 0 | 303,225,410 | 100% | ||
jpdimensions | 0 | 5,465,548,273 | 100% | ||
losos | 0 | 252,244,725 | 100% | ||
mraytekin | 0 | 47,577,403,188 | 100% | ||
marcgodard | 0 | 1,283,271,181 | 100% | ||
gikitiki | 0 | 4,278,885,024 | 100% | ||
cherish | 0 | 731,999,628 | 100% | ||
steemit-life | 0 | 3,365,750,370 | 100% | ||
ashold882015 | 0 | 16,457,958,292 | 100% | ||
asim | 0 | 7,680,655,926 | 100% | ||
jesta | 0 | 111,422,591,077 | 100% | ||
thegoodguy | 0 | 3,720,524,919 | 100% | ||
paco | 0 | 81,771,196,369 | 100% | ||
showmethecoinz | 0 | 19,448,766,265 | 100% | ||
keithsmih | 0 | 17,506,705,820 | 100% | ||
lioliomir | 0 | 287,967,484 | 100% | ||
omegastarscream | 0 | 241,440,929 | 100% | ||
senseiteekay | 0 | 6,884,028,707 | 100% | ||
karen13 | 0 | 3,709,950,749 | 100% | ||
dwinblood | 0 | 6,141,960,432 | 100% | ||
igster | 0 | 23,291,302,479 | 100% | ||
sephiroth | 0 | 46,724,283,882 | 100% | ||
medvedja | 0 | 236,199,543 | 100% | ||
nabilov | 0 | 119,346,891,064 | 100% | ||
ntomaino | 0 | 56,540,818,641 | 100% | ||
sylv3se | 0 | 6,995,040,349 | 100% | ||
juvyjabian | 0 | 1,432,528,451 | 100% | ||
breathe3000 | 0 | 1,893,573,833 | 100% | ||
streetstyle | 0 | 31,730,463,141 | 100% | ||
milestone | 0 | 47,949,340,428 | 100% | ||
artific | 0 | 11,870,029,488 | 100% | ||
maximkichev | 0 | 1,352,728,525 | 100% | ||
martin1 | 0 | 14,661,119,474 | 100% | ||
natali22 | 0 | 263,121,612 | 100% | ||
btcbtcbtc20155 | 0 | 4,661,107,245 | 100% | ||
manthostsakirid | 0 | 74,934,486,388 | 100% | ||
the-future | 0 | 1,211,598,224 | 100% | ||
algimantas | 0 | 2,595,523,571 | 100% | ||
nippel66 | 0 | 5,488,638,365 | 100% | ||
fiveboringgames | 0 | 7,095,138,415 | 100% | ||
imp3 | 0 | 1,684,362,141 | 100% | ||
mynameisbrian | 0 | 18,549,783,329 | 100% | ||
supermeatboy | 0 | 1,899,150,239 | 100% | ||
willytrader | 0 | 244,804,099 | 100% | ||
jos.denmark | 0 | 1,365,277,397 | 100% | ||
sgnsteems | 0 | 1,205,725,330 | 100% | ||
blueorgy | 0 | 180,473,280,312 | 100% | ||
poseidon | 0 | 2,978,320,802 | 100% | ||
smolalit | 0 | 4,401,768,398 | 100% | ||
calaber24p | 0 | 132,184,803,564 | 100% | ||
all-of-us | 0 | 10,331,195,510 | 100% | ||
thylbom | 0 | 26,336,543,098 | 100% | ||
ubg | 0 | 23,067,596,868 | 100% | ||
jens84 | 0 | 5,661,058,511 | 100% | ||
jcweiss | 0 | 5,850,559,011 | 100% | ||
eclipse0 | 0 | 196,897,399 | 100% | ||
geronimo | 0 | 6,730,790,256 | 100% | ||
bones | 0 | 2,485,119,239 | 100% | ||
xcachemoney | 0 | 119,006,159 | 100% | ||
krystox | 0 | 12,089,172,991 | 100% | ||
denverliu | 0 | 734,402,373 | 100% | ||
jayjustmay | 0 | 2,919,745,600 | 100% | ||
exitmass | 0 | 10,527,801,547 | 100% | ||
firdausislamiah | 0 | 116,984,348 | 100% | ||
tarindel | 0 | 3,686,159,412 | 100% | ||
azurejasper | 0 | 2,808,875,988 | 100% | ||
beowulfoflegend | 0 | 22,830,226,275 | 100% | ||
bola | 0 | 1,261,109,874 | 100% | ||
deanliu | 0 | 20,560,381,676 | 100% | ||
sauravrungta | 0 | 15,057,465,083 | 100% | ||
shredlord | 0 | 9,388,476,530 | 100% | ||
mookosoo | 0 | 2,794,842,348 | 100% | ||
foxxycat | 0 | 419,228,572 | 100% | ||
ulis29k | 0 | 271,390,189 | 100% | ||
elmusic | 0 | 116,168,043 | 100% | ||
neroru | 0 | 7,944,360,710 | 100% | ||
jl777 | 0 | 179,679,999,482 | 100% | ||
james212 | 0 | 400,446,379,590 | 50% | ||
queiroz | 0 | 362,267,920 | 100% | ||
aleco | 0 | 477,243,823 | 100% | ||
positive | 0 | 14,868,490,274 | 100% | ||
yarly | 0 | 1,035,147,579 | 100% | ||
yarly2 | 0 | 260,949,247 | 100% | ||
yarly3 | 0 | 261,342,173 | 100% | ||
yarly4 | 0 | 158,318,515 | 100% | ||
yarly5 | 0 | 152,583,081 | 100% | ||
yarly6 | 0 | 42,029,532 | 100% | ||
yarly7 | 0 | 87,181,173 | 100% | ||
crazymumzysa | 0 | 15,644,356,115 | 100% | ||
vongohren | 0 | 10,140,161,757 | 100% | ||
carlidos | 0 | 6,213,605,119 | 100% | ||
renuccio | 0 | 716,108,265 | 100% | ||
sacode | 0 | 5,042,585,356 | 100% | ||
winstonwolfe | 0 | 8,354,965,918 | 100% | ||
happyphoenix | 0 | 546,756,169 | 100% | ||
proto | 0 | 15,848,483,604 | 100% | ||
coinz | 0 | 878,112,209 | 100% | ||
curator | 0 | 592,501,688 | 100% | ||
trisnawati | 0 | 1,180,234,787 | 100% | ||
culoemono | 0 | 225,884,392 | 100% | ||
yarly10 | 0 | 213,704,880 | 100% | ||
alex.chien | 0 | 225,853,786 | 100% | ||
yarly11 | 0 | 126,783,580 | 100% | ||
yarly12 | 0 | 62,229,811 | 100% | ||
yarly13 | 0 | 41,289,737 | 100% | ||
kukuy | 0 | 116,341,851 | 100% | ||
cwmyao1 | 0 | 423,853,766 | 100% | ||
celebr1ty | 0 | 30,457,642,266 | 100% | ||
alphabeta | 0 | 5,773,822,819 | 100% | ||
elliottgodard | 0 | 79,617,229 | 100% | ||
remlaps | 0 | 110,866,600 | 100% | ||
gapil | 0 | 5,002,478,139 | 100% | ||
beanz | 0 | 897,611,304 | 100% | ||
steemuwe | 0 | 160,238,920 | 100% | ||
dimitarj | 0 | 5,474,988,889 | 100% | ||
venuspcs1 | 0 | 112,159,681 | 100% | ||
taz | 0 | 186,475,167 | 100% | ||
steemster1 | 0 | 118,779,275 | 100% | ||
wunju | 0 | 115,154,262 | 100% | ||
karchersmith | 0 | 255,281,642 | 100% | ||
jackbutler | 0 | 190,694,436 | 100% | ||
sulev | 0 | 4,486,195,947 | 100% | ||
dmilash | 0 | 1,048,704,426 | 100% | ||
mar1978co | 0 | 878,234,723 | 100% | ||
investing | 0 | 56,619,145,489 | 100% | ||
sterlinluxan | 0 | 55,783,618,220 | 100% | ||
pulpably | 0 | 151,616,645 | 100% | ||
buyselltrade | 0 | 75,766,085 | 100% | ||
belkins | 0 | 1,261,688,696 | 100% | ||
weenis | 0 | 1,815,236,917 | 100% | ||
jed78 | 0 | 3,121,282,630 | 100% | ||
bergy | 0 | 10,566,199,617 | 100% | ||
timelord | 0 | 344,592,655 | 100% | ||
metaflute | 0 | 1,141,191,737 | 100% | ||
yulia98 | 0 | 131,416,266 | 100% | ||
taker | 0 | 7,763,493,016 | 100% | ||
thedon | 0 | 989,263,021 | 100% | ||
nekromarinist | 0 | 1,322,881,549 | 100% | ||
theprophet0 | 0 | 2,025,007,613 | 100% | ||
sykochica | 0 | 1,872,964,513 | 100% | ||
sharon | 0 | 47,106,308 | 100% | ||
johnblow | 0 | 45,069,719 | 100% | ||
bulkygangsta | 0 | 12,250,067,182 | 100% | ||
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lillianjones | 0 | 47,989,093 | 100% | ||
pdogg147 | 0 | 2,497,571,397 | 100% | ||
magicmonk | 0 | 14,985,364,165 | 100% | ||
rawnetics | 0 | 7,193,743,885 | 100% | ||
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spaceghost | 0 | 8,092,529,733 | 100% | ||
naturalista | 0 | 2,117,001,775 | 100% | ||
hornytrucker | 0 | 3,621,451,359 | 100% | ||
elizabetemaia | 0 | 211,909,048 | 100% | ||
chris.roy | 0 | 179,938,867 | 100% | ||
nessacute | 0 | 60,009,990 | 100% | ||
viktor.phuket | 0 | 6,001,642,364 | 100% | ||
denn | 0 | 63,652,407 | 100% | ||
mangous | 0 | 64,988,924 | 100% | ||
crypto-toll | 0 | 2,264,281,979 | 100% | ||
glitterfart | 0 | 462,419,531,869 | 100% | ||
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cjclaro | 0 | 682,424,266 | 100% | ||
stephen.king989 | 0 | 7,116,004,266 | 100% | ||
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margot | 0 | 145,556,737 | 100% | ||
ekitcho | 0 | 7,270,137,064 | 100% | ||
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dims | 0 | 67,232,480 | 100% | ||
vladikras | 0 | 1,977,655,839 | 100% | ||
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ciao | 0 | 31,768,045 | 100% | ||
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romerodlou | 0 | 62,697,908 | 100% | ||
steema | 0 | 33,184,164 | 100% | ||
lordvader | 0 | 101,922,286 | 100% | ||
deepdarkweb | 0 | 382,127,185 | 100% | ||
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jarvis | 0 | 32,438,635 | 100% | ||
ashwim | 0 | 202,770,224 | 100% | ||
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smartguylabcoat | 0 | 99,542,711 | 100% | ||
fortuner | 0 | 42,243,510 | 100% | ||
filmaker | 0 | 59,583,159 | 100% | ||
kyriacos | 0 | 4,774,982,117 | 100% | ||
desibeatnik | 0 | 64,743,425 | 100% | ||
dollarvigilante | 0 | 290,320,018,149 | 100% | ||
anotherjoe | 0 | 5,406,651,568 | 100% | ||
serejandmyself | 0 | 21,850,566,817 | 100% | ||
crezyliza | 0 | 58,166,908 | 100% | ||
legio | 0 | 60,607,816 | 100% | ||
macartem | 0 | 1,851,652,249 | 100% | ||
cryptosolitaire | 0 | 59,640,874 | 100% | ||
stevenh512 | 0 | 104,186,965 | 100% | ||
madoff | 0 | 1,628,587,650 | 100% | ||
jacksteem | 0 | 57,866,732 | 100% | ||
johnbyrd | 0 | 41,254,942 | 100% | ||
thomasaustin | 0 | 41,252,996 | 100% | ||
thermor | 0 | 41,251,536 | 100% | ||
ficholl | 0 | 41,249,329 | 100% | ||
widell | 0 | 41,246,130 | 100% | ||
elissahawke | 0 | 4,362,828,972 | 100% | ||
laconicflow | 0 | 1,156,074,700 | 100% | ||
shneakysquirrel | 0 | 575,471,060 | 100% | ||
scifiwriter | 0 | 9,962,808,965 | 100% | ||
a11at | 0 | 69,061,940 | 100% | ||
chaospoet | 0 | 3,693,497,146 | 100% | ||
steembeast | 0 | 1,254,483,901 | 100% | ||
iamrohitkgupta | 0 | 988,710,476 | 100% | ||
revelbrooks | 0 | 40,951,017 | 100% | ||
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elenadranovskaya | 0 | 112,692,818 | 100% | ||
yef99 | 0 | 12,324,911,313 | 100% | ||
sweetsssj | 0 | 19,926,117,882 | 100% | ||
tradz | 0 | 416,644,575 | 100% | ||
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someguy123 | 0 | 14,140,182,820 | 100% | ||
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stillsafe | 0 | 250,698,138 | 100% | ||
joelbow | 0 | 63,268,872 | 100% | ||
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hilarski | 0 | 17,063,968,133 | 100% | ||
onetree | 0 | 56,548,571 | 100% | ||
tcstix | 0 | 60,893,633 | 100% | ||
the-how-to-guy | 0 | 1,442,882,845 | 100% | ||
lantto | 0 | 1,517,531,551 | 100% | ||
cryptovpn | 0 | 2,772,313,256 | 100% | ||
gduran | 0 | 57,369,558 | 100% | ||
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alex1994 | 0 | 57,410,083 | 100% | ||
caleballen | 0 | 231,189,881 | 100% | ||
daoine-sidhe | 0 | 57,116,402 | 100% | ||
eileenbeach | 0 | 1,377,364,626 | 100% | ||
toolyman | 0 | 64,418,337 | 100% | ||
allbtc | 0 | 61,276,612 | 100% | ||
ragingliberty | 0 | 66,431,495 | 100% | ||
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foxkoit | 0 | 50,081,391 | 100% | ||
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daveks | 0 | 325,399,521 | 100% | ||
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maximator15 | 0 | 56,507,401 | 100% | ||
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vodorog | 0 | 57,775,654 | 100% | ||
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darrantrute | 0 | 4,027,333,186 | 100% | ||
richardcrill | 0 | 55,432,146 | 100% | ||
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jerryt | 0 | 56,263,450 | 100% | ||
troich | 0 | 39,346,698 | 100% | ||
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marz.steemit | 0 | 168,319,075 | 100% | ||
skaraosky | 0 | 54,860,051 | 100% | ||
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markrmorrisjr | 0 | 50,379,483 | 100% | ||
saraero | 0 | 55,907,270 | 100% | ||
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crion | 0 | 39,350,795 | 100% | ||
greatness | 0 | 184,080,648 | 100% | ||
hitherise | 0 | 39,099,775 | 100% | ||
wiss | 0 | 37,976,305 | 100% | ||
victor-smirnoff | 0 | 1,234,927,940 | 100% | ||
sezi2u | 0 | 58,359,394 | 100% | ||
llawen | 0 | 55,602,225 | 100% | ||
ericbotticelli | 0 | 3,288,433,531 | 100% | ||
arta.rajabi | 0 | 55,500,784 | 100% | ||
tekglow | 0 | 55,478,190 | 100% | ||
stroully | 0 | 38,830,063 | 100% | ||
seriousnuts | 0 | 55,418,338 | 100% | ||
matthewtiii | 0 | 805,132,535 | 100% | ||
walternz | 0 | 54,293,199 | 100% | ||
disofdis | 0 | 58,822,880 | 100% | ||
activistpost | 0 | 131,714,790 | 100% | ||
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thadm | 0 | 40,790,117 | 100% | ||
prof | 0 | 40,788,724 | 100% | ||
jaredandanissa | 0 | 56,275,685 | 100% | ||
kev7000 | 0 | 51,745,040 | 100% | ||
mydomain | 0 | 68,255,280 | 100% | ||
fmarlonc | 0 | 52,785,981 | 100% | ||
jaquelinamendes | 0 | 54,985,001 | 100% | ||
iriska | 0 | 56,060,600 | 100% | ||
forest-revealed | 0 | 58,370,211 | 100% | ||
grayhorse | 0 | 50,960,380 | 100% | ||
sam79 | 0 | 56,015,556 | 100% | ||
nubchai | 0 | 53,790,878 | 100% | ||
anon404 | 0 | 54,814,374 | 100% | ||
powercouple | 0 | 50,368,465 | 100% | ||
ifnrfaicntiatle | 0 | 295,604,926 | 100% | ||
yorsens | 0 | 44,882,837 | 100% | ||
gerasim | 0 | 115,542,457 | 100% | ||
michel1123 | 0 | 54,624,230 | 100% | ||
murderer | 0 | 54,623,554 | 100% | ||
ryansorensen | 0 | 53,517,349 | 100% | ||
dobbsie | 0 | 55,688,766 | 100% | ||
pirzada | 0 | 52,407,560 | 100% | ||
analyst | 0 | 54,590,657 | 100% | ||
teamtrae | 0 | 53,496,240 | 100% | ||
kool | 0 | 50,218,330 | 100% | ||
jacobcwitmer | 0 | 111,566,248 | 100% | ||
joedelici | 0 | 52,398,166 | 100% | ||
fashionstory | 0 | 53,484,394 | 100% | ||
blogspot | 0 | 55,663,778 | 100% | ||
cactus | 0 | 55,662,962 | 100% | ||
avemend | 0 | 53,478,934 | 100% | ||
btravelers | 0 | 53,465,936 | 100% | ||
mikoman | 0 | 54,555,305 | 100% | ||
freedompains | 0 | 54,547,594 | 100% | ||
baldsteve1 | 0 | 54,541,765 | 100% | ||
mynameisdave | 0 | 55,627,029 | 100% | ||
edniredo | 0 | 55,616,121 | 100% | ||
slewofdamascus | 0 | 54,522,377 | 100% | ||
yellowsubmarine | 0 | 55,607,276 | 100% | ||
shingrae | 0 | 55,572,977 | 100% | ||
corrina | 0 | 54,473,545 | 100% | ||
djhector | 0 | 54,451,473 | 100% | ||
bane | 0 | 54,419,429 | 100% | ||
vive | 0 | 53,324,520 | 100% | ||
coad | 0 | 53,318,865 | 100% | ||
apple.com | 0 | 54,367,173 | 100% | ||
nickolay365 | 0 | 52,142,698 | 100% | ||
luckb0xx | 0 | 54,003,745 | 100% | ||
puffin | 0 | 0 | 100% | ||
taoist-water | 0 | 50,622,719 | 100% | ||
cptnsolo | 0 | 0 | 100% | ||
no-far | 0 | 0 | 100% | ||
saldenisov | 0 | 0 | 100% | ||
punwik | 0 | 0 | 100% |
Even worse is when people you thought were friendly towards you vote negatively against you and also take money out of your pocket by doing so. ;)
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category | politics |
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root_title | "The Politics of Negative Voting" |
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author_curate_reward | "" |
voter | weight | wgt% | rshares | pct | time |
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dwinblood | 0 | 5,914,489,874 | 100% |
This is how an election works. I know people who are voting forTrump and I'm voting for Clinton. But those Trump voters are not voting for Trump because they are trying to negate my vote, they are voting for Trump because they took a bad fall and now they believe he'll make a better president than she will. If I downvote your steemit post, and my downvote was made because I think the post is a piece of shit, and then someone else upvotes your post because they think its great, the two of us both exersized our right to vote. Also in this democrassy people talk politics all the time. People exchange opinions and get into arguments about who would be better. I can't count the number of conversations I've had about this election and the last one. I have no way to know if those conversations changed the minds of others, or which conversations made me change my mind on specific policies, influencing how I vote for state and national officials. There are not enough anarchists voting for the purposes of nullification to make this an election issue.
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author | laconicflow |
permlink | re-tuck-fheman-re-dantheman-the-politics-of-negative-voting-20160813t183342614z |
category | politics |
json_metadata | "{"tags": ["politics"]}" |
created | 2016-08-13 18:29:06 |
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root_title | "The Politics of Negative Voting" |
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percent_steem_dollars | 10,000 |
I'm sorry. You've confused my dig at Dan & Ned for an actual comment. ;)
post_id | 589,242 |
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author | tuck-fheman |
permlink | re-laconicflow-re-tuck-fheman-re-dantheman-the-politics-of-negative-voting-20160813t185511206z |
category | politics |
json_metadata | "{"tags": ["politics"]}" |
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Are you trying to say democrazy? ;) Anarchists likely wouldn't vote for Clinton or Trump IF they voted. They'd likely vote for Gary Johnson or Jill Stein depending upon which leaning (Capitalists or Communist) they have within the Anarchists ideologies. Though they are still individuals so they may rightly write in whomever they choose. "Bum on the street corner get's my vote!" EDIT: Or vote for Vermin Supreme (check him out on youtube if you don't know of him... real guy... really funny) He'll give you a FREE pony.
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author | dwinblood |
permlink | re-laconicflow-re-tuck-fheman-re-dantheman-the-politics-of-negative-voting-20160813t212734892z |
category | politics |
json_metadata | "{"tags": ["politics"]}" |
created | 2016-08-13 21:27:33 |
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root_title | "The Politics of Negative Voting" |
beneficiaries | [] |
max_accepted_payout | 1,000,000.000 SBD |
percent_steem_dollars | 10,000 |
True True :)
post_id | 589,056 |
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author | paco |
permlink | re-tuck-fheman-re-dantheman-the-politics-of-negative-voting-20160813t184604402z |
category | politics |
json_metadata | "{"tags": ["politics"]}" |
created | 2016-08-13 18:41:06 |
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root_title | "The Politics of Negative Voting" |
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With the reputation system now here, I think the time has come to scrap downvoting to remove rewards. 500 minnows and dolphins can decide they want to reward a post only for one whale to wipe out their decision. We should allow users (including whales) to 'flag' content as "abuse" and hit the posters reputation only. Previous voters have the option to unvote a post, if they feel the reason the content is being flagged is warranted. @dantheman's analogy with electoral voting is flawed. In electoral voting you nullify votes by voting *for* someone else. On this platform, the same can be done. If I don't like post x, I can effectively negate it (monetarily) by voting for posts y & z. There is no right (in an electoral system) to vote for y & z **and** rip up a vote or two for x. Downvoting gives too much power to the haves over the have nots IMO.
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author | nanzo-scoop |
permlink | re-tuck-fheman-re-dantheman-the-politics-of-negative-voting-20160813t190113912z |
category | politics |
json_metadata | "{"users": ["dantheman"], "tags": ["politics"]}" |
created | 2016-08-13 19:01:15 |
last_update | 2016-08-13 19:02:15 |
depth | 2 |
children | 7 |
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pending_payout_value | 0.000 SBD |
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root_title | "The Politics of Negative Voting" |
beneficiaries | [] |
max_accepted_payout | 1,000,000.000 SBD |
percent_steem_dollars | 10,000 |
author_curate_reward | "" |
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---|---|---|---|---|---|
jamtaylor | 0 | 144,215,000,582 | 100% | ||
dasan-oneia | 0 | 3,420,406,719 | 100% | ||
dwinblood | 0 | 5,914,489,874 | 100% | ||
knozaki2015 | 0 | 163,416,580,181 | 100% | ||
l0k1 | 0 | 56,817,904 | 100% |
<blockquote>500 minnows and dolphins can decide they want to reward a post only for one whale to wipe out their decision.</blockquote> Yep. I stressed that point a few months back when it hit me hard on more than one occasion. ;) Imagine if we had a Presidential election where the majority wanted one candidate to win but a few people with a lot of money just overruled them and sabotaged the whole thing ... oh wait ... never mind.
post_id | 590,166 |
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author | tuck-fheman |
permlink | re-nanzo-scoop-re-tuck-fheman-re-dantheman-the-politics-of-negative-voting-20160813t201136035z |
category | politics |
json_metadata | "{"tags": ["politics"]}" |
created | 2016-08-13 20:11:45 |
last_update | 2016-08-13 20:11:45 |
depth | 3 |
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last_payout | 2016-09-13 10:57:03 |
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pending_payout_value | 0.000 SBD |
promoted | 0.000 SBD |
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root_title | "The Politics of Negative Voting" |
beneficiaries | [] |
max_accepted_payout | 1,000,000.000 SBD |
percent_steem_dollars | 10,000 |
author_curate_reward | "" |
voter | weight | wgt% | rshares | pct | time |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
boy | 0 | 3,082,186,174 | 100% | ||
bue-witness | 0 | 3,740,636,208 | 100% | ||
bunny | 0 | 708,373,174 | 100% | ||
bue | 0 | 51,921,802,776 | 100% | ||
mini | 0 | 1,652,333,777 | 100% | ||
moon | 0 | 208,875,808 | 100% | ||
healthcare | 0 | 613,045,587 | 100% | ||
daniel.pan | 0 | 882,334,799 | 100% | ||
helen.tan | 0 | 287,316,453 | 100% | ||
dana-edwards | 0 | 446,942,758,299 | 100% | ||
nanzo-scoop | 0 | 600,728,650,434 | 100% | ||
leprechaun | 0 | 924,089,406 | 100% | ||
djm34 | 0 | 25,651,553,911 | 100% | ||
akareyon | 0 | 18,148,029,674 | 100% | ||
dwinblood | 0 | 5,914,489,874 | 100% | ||
artific | 0 | 11,446,099,864 | 100% | ||
talyvale | 0 | 3,195,661,934 | 100% | ||
gduran | 0 | 57,369,558 | 100% | ||
ats-david | 0 | 71,189,840 | 100% |
This is what I think also, and even, this very post above pretty much explains why. And reputation scores, in my opinon, should not be 'objective numbers' but rather based on the opinions of the people *you* follow and how you vote for them. This makes the numbers look different depending on who you are, because, let's face it, there can be a very serious problem of Sybil attacks and these can be mitigated by network proximity algorithms.
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author | l0k1 |
permlink | re-nanzo-scoop-re-tuck-fheman-re-dantheman-the-politics-of-negative-voting-20160814t001357443z |
category | politics |
json_metadata | "{"tags": ["politics"]}" |
created | 2016-08-14 00:14:00 |
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>With the reputation system now here, I think the time has come to scrap downvoting to remove rewards. Too many users are still voting for spammers/fakers/plagiarizers. There needs to be a way to take rewards away from them. If there is not, we will get a lot more of them.
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The amount of money in your pockets is on public display and this is very unique in itself which can have unpredictable consequences as an experiment. Steemit is an experiment and the Dollar Payout being public is an experimental feature. So far do you think Public Dollar Payout is a UX feature which is beneficial?
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"Pockets" (our Steemit Wallet) and the amount shown in them is far different from our literal pockets and is subject to dramatic change prior to those funds appearing in our literal pockets. As one of my non-crypto friends said when he saw my Wallet page, "nice statistics". It's not "real money" yet in a sense for many people. How many hundreds of thousands of "statistics" have of some of us lost in the past month? ;) **Personally I would prefer not to have balances displayed.** But someone who wanted to know could always view balances on the blockchain and that's only a bookmark away at steemd.com; unless you know something I don't know, which is likely considering I don't know a lot.
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In this system, wouldn't the result be a conservative center in power? It seems to me that when strong opinions get negated, status-quo is what's left.
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status-qou is based upon people not having the ability to express real options. The Left / Right paradigm has created an environment where the people much choose between two evils. I think you would find a very different center than the current status-quo.
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I'd think that the only remaining "non-negated" people would be the ones that just don't have an opinion, or don't care. Difficult to progress, anyway. But the principle, I like.
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I see what you did there @dantheman, a complex but simple analogy of the politics of steemit and the whole downvote/flagging operation, without the finger pointing and name calling. Well done and well stated. Time to move on to the next brush fire LOL.
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How can a person vote against more people, if he believes that those people are doing something wrong or they are voting bad. A small fish against a lot of fishies and whales together.
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Speaking of voting: A. People shouldn't be allowed to Up-vote their own content, especially whales who can instantly push that content to the top of the /trending page in the category (tags) they posted it in.....AHEM! (Yes I am guilty of it myself so I am not a hypocrite) B. Any system where a post gets 100 up-votes and is still under $5 Payout is inherently flawed, IMHO. Just look at my Post History and you will understand why I say that. If there are that many people who like the content it should be paid a reasonable and fare rate. Which brings me to my next point. C. The current structure of Steemit and especially the Voting system means that no matter how good or desired your content is, if you do not get Whale votes you do not make jack diddly squat for your efforts. I have over 50 Blog Posts with less than a $5 payout, most of them with a metric butt ton of votes. This leads to the next comment... D. Because of (C) there is a growing subculture in the Steemit Forums and Chat of Vote Swapping, Begging for Votes and so forth. Which sadly still leaves most posts not getting paid anything or very little....even the ones that are Quality Original Content and deserve to be rewarded. E. All of the above have led to an environment where you have to suck up to Whales and convince them to "Feature" your article under their account to get any recognition. Which means they keep 100% of the Steem Power and you get 100% of the Steem Dollars. Now this, on the surface, seems well and good and beneficial to everyone but the problem lies in the fact that it actually does very little to help the "Featured Author" and leaves them still a Minnow no matter how many times they get "Featured" while the whale (who often features numerous writers) gets even bigger and fatter off of someone else's work. *** Point is that while steemit.com is an amazing place that gets 90%+ of my freetime now the current voting/rewards system is going to be the downfall of steemit. As more and more whales get fatter and richer the minnows that are here are going to continue to grow disheartened and eventually leave. Additionally, any new members that arrive, with the hopes of making money on steemit are going to rapidly realize they don't stand a chance and move on as well. Without a constant influx of new users who contribute (and get a fair reward) new content steemit will not survive and will ultimately go the way of Digg/Slashdot in a few short years....if not sooner! *** @dan @dantheman @ned I hope you guys see this comment. <a href="https://steemit.com/steemit/@venuspcs/attention-devs-dan-ned-dantheman-itsascam-suggestions-ideas-thoughts-and-bugs-with-for-steemit-com-ways-to-make-steemit-the-best">Also check out this Suggestions post I just finished (revised edition)</a>
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konelectric | 0 | 2,370,878,969 | 100% | ||
craig-grant | 0 | 124,006,184,732 | 100% | ||
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repholder | 0 | 134,313,432,838 | 100% | ||
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fiveboringgames | 0 | 7,095,138,415 | 100% | ||
crazymumzysa | 0 | 15,331,468,993 | 100% | ||
venuspcs1 | 0 | 114,402,874 | 100% | ||
talyvale | 0 | 3,195,661,934 | 100% | ||
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hornytrucker | 0 | 3,693,880,387 | 100% | ||
oflyhigh | 0 | 2,078,639,164 | 100% | ||
steemitqa | 0 | 1,793,245,235 | 100% | ||
bitcalm | 0 | 26,281,736,414 | 100% | ||
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the-how-to-guy | 0 | 1,471,740,502 | 100% | ||
gduran | 0 | 57,369,558 | 100% | ||
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hornytrucker1 | 0 | 189,876,370 | 100% | ||
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@venuspcs you and I started on steemit around the same time. I believe we both started with steem power of 10. I have made 1326 posts (most comments, replies, etc) and I now have 625 steem power and I've been here almost a month. I consider that a pretty good return. I haven't landed the massive posts, that pay big payouts. That is not solely why I am here. You (whom I have been following since before following worked) have posted 558 posts on your @venuspcs account and yes you get a lot more votes than I do. I am actually fine with that. I up vote a lot of your stuff. You have been on the trending page at least once, if not several times, and you've had multiple posts break $1000. I think I cleared $300 on a post once. Sure the majority of your posts don't make much. ALL of them make something. I have posts that I worked hard on that made $0.00, and I have many well below $1. I am not complaining about that. ***I am making something in a field of endeavor where previously I made nothing (reddit, forums, etc).*** So your description is not entirely accurate based upon the numbers. Though I will continue to follow your work as I enjoy quite a bit of your stuff. Ultimately how much someone else is making on their post is not my concern. It is the fact that I do have the opportunity to make something. A vote worth $0.00 means something to me. A vote worth $0.01 means something to me. A vote worth $100.00 certainly excites me and makes me happy. Yet that is not what it is about. If you look at how much you've made in a month with your now 4700 steem power, you asked us the other day if you should quit trucking. If you continue to do that well, you probably safely could, yet that is still your decision. I post a lot... that doesn't mean people view the quality of my posts as being worthy of votes and money. I am long winded and opinionated. So are you, but ***your posts are a hell of a lot more amusing and entertaining than mine. :) So I think you deserve more money than me.*** That is my opinion. Guess what? It is working you've gone from 10 steem power to 4700 steem power in the same time I've gone from 10 to 625. Most of my earnings have been reinvested into steem power. I didn't really dig to see if that is also the case with you. I am pretty satisfied with the system except for the negative perception that a big flag/down vote can have on the perceived earnings of a person simply because someone disagreed. I KNOW that the vast amount of the population will not understand that and it will be viewed as an attack. I'd like to see the steem platform grow, and I'd like to see it crush reddit, youtube, etc and tons of other steem blockchain apps, sites, etc born. It is a revolutionary moment. Yet perception DOES matter, so whether we think that people should be able to negate something and take perceived money away is acceptable or not DOES NOT change the perception of the masses. We have some opportunities. ***Do we leave it as it is and LIVE with that fact and take it as a mind changing, educational opportunity and just prepare for the "shit storm" (sorry was fitting) that will happen as more and more of the typical people join"? Or do we do something to make it work yet head off some of those perceptions?*** It is kind of a catch-22. If we educate people it will be harsh but would likely in the long term lead to a better world, if we "fix" it to promote PR better we grow the platform much faster yet we miss out on an educational mind awakening opportunity. If the desire is to grow the platform fast then I'd say fix the issue with perception around funds. If the desire is to long term make the world better and we are willing to wade through the flak and take a bit longer getting there then you could leave it as it is. I do not advocate redistribution, or nerfing the reason to accumulate steem power. Getting better payout is a big reason to increase steem power. Increasing steem power locks the funds into the system and makes then much slower to get at (reduces liquidity) but also protects the system from being killed by people suddenly pulling all of their funds. It makes it far more difficult for people to game the currency.
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dantheman | 0 | 9,287,591,907,627 | 32% | ||
tombstone | 0 | 9,476,233,269,302 | 44% | ||
boy | 0 | 3,082,186,174 | 100% | ||
bue-witness | 0 | 3,740,636,208 | 100% | ||
bunny | 0 | 708,373,174 | 100% | ||
complexring | 0 | 3,747,604,526,310 | 100% | ||
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donkeypong | 0 | 1,277,680,446,587 | 49% | ||
helen.tan | 0 | 287,316,453 | 100% | ||
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venuspcs | 0 | 49,608,042,084 | 100% | ||
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vi1son | 0 | 1,341,356,141 | 100% | ||
jesta | 0 | 111,423,172,728 | 100% | ||
knozaki2015 | 0 | 163,416,580,181 | 100% | ||
artific | 0 | 11,446,099,864 | 100% | ||
jsteck | 0 | 750,234,632 | 100% | ||
all-of-us | 0 | 10,331,195,510 | 100% | ||
beowulfoflegend | 0 | 22,333,917,008 | 100% | ||
aleco | 0 | 467,301,243 | 100% | ||
team-leibniz | 0 | 15,775,822,132 | 100% | ||
beanz | 0 | 948,903,379 | 100% | ||
efrageek | 0 | 61,795,138 | 100% | ||
hilarski | 0 | 16,647,773,788 | 100% | ||
onetree | 0 | 56,548,571 | 100% | ||
gduran | 0 | 57,369,558 | 100% | ||
l0k1 | 0 | 56,817,904 | 100% |
Thanks for the "NOVEL OF CONFIDENCE" you wrote.....in a comment....If your posts were as long and succinct as that comment you would be well ahead of me in SP by now.....oh and yes I reinvested most of what I made on Steemit into SP which is part of the reason why I am having trouble making up my mind if I can afford to quit driving a truck.
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Hello, Great post. Just let me add one thing. As of today or yesterday, there is a button for whales to scale down or up their vote. so i think this is a great feature, as whales can now vote on stuff, they didn't vote on in the past, as they didn't want to give a guy 200$, even they agreed. so but maybe the whale thinks, yes 20$ for that comment of post is OK for me. and look at your comment i just up-voted it by 40cents. and its at 28.29$ that's pretty impressive ! I just send you 5 SBD, as i think your comments and your posts deserve more attention, but i could only up-vote you by 40 cents. I like that at steemit, everybody is trying to help each others, and its not a 4chan or 2chan stye bashing of other users. so that was the reason i am giving out Steem$ to other authors, who didn't have the luck yet to have some bigger payouts.
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In my opinion the money doesn't matter so much as that if you have something to say that is worth hearing, because people vote, more people get to see it, comment on it, and maybe even clarify errors you have made in it. The money side of it I think is auxillary, an incentive, certainly, but if it boils down to a popularity contest solely then it's a waste of time.
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Nice reference to catch-22, an amazing book. I am guess we each can each start shipping fruits and vegetables around...
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To vote or not to vote. It is "out of the frying pan into the fire".
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Some quick comments: A) Whales may simply opt to post with a different handle and upvote with their whale only. Many whales are already split among a few accounts. B/C) IMO, vote count shouldn't even be displayed as it can easily be gamed with sybils. I can give something hundreds of upvotes just with my mining accounts. I agree with D/E, though, they are problems!
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zebbra2014 | 0 | -5,304,937,983 | -100% | ||
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If vote count shouldn't be displayed why display Steem Dollar payout to the public?
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> B. Any system where a post gets 100 up-votes and is still under $5 Payout is inherently flawed, IMHO. Just look at my Post History and you will understand why I say that. If there are that many people who like the content it should be paid a reasonable and fare rate. Which brings me to my next point. This I've witnessed before.
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>A. People shouldn't be allowed to Up-vote their own content, especially whales who can instantly push that content to the top of the /trending page in the category (tags) they posted it in.....AHEM! (Yes I am guilty of it myself so I am not a hypocrite) How would you prevent shill voting? >B. Any system where a post gets 100 up-votes and is still under $5 Payout is inherently flawed, IMHO. Just look at my Post History and you will understand why I say that. If there are that many people who like the content it should be paid a reasonable and fare rate. Which brings me to my next point. How many of those votes are organic? I think you believe you deserve a larger payout for 100 upvotes, while I think that most of those votes come from bots and that it works as intended (bots shouldn't be able to give you $ without reading your post.). I know it cause, my bot (this account) has upvoted a lot of your stuff. **This is more a critique of the system than it is of your content.** It sucks for you, cause it probably gives you a false impression of what you should be getting. I agree that the system might be flawed, maybe not for the same reasons. Content that will make the front page is just too easy to predict. Here's my trending page, I haven't upvoted a single of these posts manually, they were all upvoted by my bot - without it reading a single word: <center> http://i.imgur.com/OT1Wi6Y.png) </center> Its at a point where voting for what I believe is good content is probably not as good as letting my bot upvote what it deems will become popular. I would perform worse than my bot if I read everything on the site. *I'm aware that I'm part of the problem, but it goes to show that the incentives aren't aligned properly.* >C. The current structure of Steemit and especially the Voting system means that no matter how good or desired your content is, if you do not get Whale votes you do not make jack diddly squat for your efforts. I have over 50 Blog Posts with less than a $5 payout, most of them with a metric butt ton of votes. This leads to the next comment... I totally agree, but you made it to a lot of bots radars too, and probably get more visibility than most people. > As more and more whales get fatter and richer the minnows that are here are going to continue to grow disheartened and eventually leave. Additionally, any new members that arrive, with the hopes of making money on steemit are going to rapidly realize they don't stand a chance and move on as well. Without a constant influx of new users who contribute (and get a fair reward) new content steemit will not survive and will ultimately go the way of Digg/Slashdot in a few short years....if not sooner! Are you proposing anything to solve those issues? I'd personally love to see a mix of @arcurus's visibility improvements ([here](https://steemit.com/steemit/@arcurus/tagging-and-flagging-hidden-by-a-whale-how-to-evolve-further)) and an incentivized downvoting system ([shameless plug](https://steemit.com/steemit/@owdy/scalability-content-quality-and-centralization-an-open-discussion-on-an-incentivized-downvote-system#@owdy/re-owdy-re-arcurus-re-owdy-re-williambanks-re-owdy-scalability-content-quality-and-centralization-an-open-discussion-on-an-incentivized-downvote-system-20160813t131602273z)).
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I have read a few different takes on the situation and honestly I haven't a clue what "the right approach" is....I just know that the system as it is now needs some improvement and that is the only point I was trying to make. Oh and tell your bot thanks!
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I refuse to write stuff for bots. Keep your bots for yourself.
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author | najoh |
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I decided to stop posting for a while when i realized no matter how good is my content, bots are up voting other authors. If you are not in the up vote list you get nothing. Efforts don't get well rewarded. Only networking. And i don't like it.
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Too much focus is on the dollar payout when what it's really about is the reputation, the Steem Power, the followers. People getting voted down for earning too much Steem Dollars on a particular post? What is it really about? It's about reputation and Steem Power which is long term commit to Steemit as a platform. When you get a lot of votes from minnows what matters is whether or not these votes translate into followers. Over time the power of their votes could rise and you might not have to rely on votes from whales to get a decent sized payout in Steem Dollars. But on the same token, Steem Power is what you want to track to see whether it's being transferred from whales to everyone else. There might be temporary marketing value in having dollar payouts on public display but I think we should have a debate on the merits of that UX feature.
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I've only been here a week, but I have noticed exactly the same problems. And I've seen what you're predicting play out on other sites that were similar to this, where authors were rewarded for content. I cannot tell you how quickly things can go sour and how quality content creators will abandon a platform at the drop of a hat once they recognize the game. Yes - right now, this platform is turning into a game for everyone...minnows to whales. >"Because of (C) there is a growing subculture in the Steemit Forums and Chat of Vote Swapping, Begging for Votes and so forth. Which sadly still leaves most posts not getting paid anything or very little....even the ones that are Quality Original Content and deserve to be rewarded." This is indeed a sad situation. I have even engaged in the chats for hours to try to drive some people to my posts with very little luck. I spent several hours writing original content accompanied by original photos for a two-part story. After almost a full day of trying to get *any* attention for them - because I believe that they *are* good quality - I ended up with about $0.50 for two posts. There were whales in the chats - but I couldn't even get a response there, let alone on either post. I even asked for just feedback, screw the votes...still nothing. When good writers are begging to be seen and posts that are just a collection of commercial-use photos with a few sparse words thrown in are getting $1000+ each, there's something wrong with the voting - or more accurately, with the "whale" voting. Good writers shouldn't have to repeatedly beg to be seen, especially when whales are there and are ignoring them. >"As more and more whales get fatter and richer the minnows that are here are going to continue to grow disheartened and eventually leave." They already do leave. It's just not noticed because of how many more people sign up...and will inevitably follow suit. Active users were around 6,000 for the past week. How many user accounts are there? Over 60,000? People are signing up and either doing nothing or have already left. If the whales/bots keep skewing the trending content and ignoring actual quality *original* content, and those quality contributors continue having to beg for attention, this site is going to be left with Buzzfeed-type clickbait with no substance and various "celebrity" cliques, who will eventually abandon the platform anyway once the rewards dry up. As a famous little presidential candidate once said (and this is paraphrased) - you'll just hear a giant sucking sound. That'll be everyone leaving who once cared about this platform's success but were drowned out by people only concerned with playing the rewards game for quick cash. The whales have the largest share of responsibility for ensuring long-term viability of the platform and curating quality content, but from where I'm sitting, they're not currently living up to it. There are dolphins trying to help, but they seem to be getting continually undermined by the voting habits of the whales. The large power-downs might help, but it may not happen soon enough, especially while the whales still participate in their feedback loop of upvoting schemes (including their own posts/comments).
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Maybe not take down the monetary value but Just a down mark so others can decide if its still good content.
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It's been fascinating to see how emotional people get about downvotes on Steemit. I've seen several people have in their head what a "fair" downvote looks like and if the downvote isn't up to their standards of what fair is, they overreact (see the comments to [this post](https://steemit.com/photography/@ntomaino/some-real-talk-on-weddings-and-some-photos-from-a-vermont-wedding) as an example). People aren't nearly as emotional about upvotes, though as you suggest the "right to vote" applies to both upvotes and downvotes. Love this aspect of Steemit and hope to see more ideas like this exercised in the future.
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ntomaino | 0 | 56,540,818,641 | 100% | ||
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Does Steemit.com's interface represent a downvote or a flag? My understanding based on the steemitabuse-classic chat channel is the flag is for combating negative activities like incorrectly tagged NSFW material, abuse, plagiarism, and identity theft. If the interface represented it as a downvote and if it didn't also (potentially) cause comments to be completely hidden (again, a mechanism for hiding abusive content), then I would agree with you and treat a downvote as just the opposite of an upvote. I understand the backend code and the cli_wallet make no distinction, but we are using **the code of this website** which does make a distinction and changes the interface according to reputation. If you read through the example in question, it appeared to me the person was trying to hide their misuse of tags by downvoting and hiding the comment of the person who called out their activity. When confronted, they continued to justify their actions instead of owning their mistake. Reputation is important to any community and negatively impacting other's reputation score with no rational justification, to me, is not okay and will not create a healthy community.
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And this may be the source of the confusion. There used to be a downvote in the UX and people were okay with it when it looked like it was a downvote. Now it looks like its an anti-abuse flag but people (whales) are using it as a downvote. So which philosophy should we be following?
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https://i.imgur.com/ZClXgorg.jpg we need to go for middle way dudes, follow minded people 8]
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Ultimately, a vote Is a right to choose something, or someone. The problem lies when you (meaning anyone) personally vote on something that may go against the will or agenda of the ones around you. Yes voting Is a choice, but those choices have very real consequences. Is your vote for personal reasons? Is it for political reasons? Is it just to appease the masses? Only Internally, can YOU answer that question. And how do you know when you've made the right decision? When you can lay your head down at night without worry-
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I'm kind of weird. I don't see a need for negative votes. I see a need for flagging inappropriate/abusive content. Yet I personally cannot comprehend a legit reason to even have a negative vote. If I like something. I like knowing that 2 other people also like it. I could care less how many people don't like it.
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funny you should say that! been in the back of my mind from the top.
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Sorry, I'm not a bot. Please return my reputation!
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Well written, it remains to competently implement
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> We currently live in a culture where people can numb themselves to the consequences of their vote. They never have to face the victim. A really interesting post. This quote I've highlighted above is, for me, the key failing of our current political system. It sets up all sorts of bad incentives for politicians, and voters, to pass the costs of bad decision making onto other people, or to defer difficult decisions altogether, thereby passing the cost on to another generation. And, when this way of doing politics is threatened, people **freak out**. We've seen this in the Presidential election with Donald Trump's 'build a wall' rhetoric. It doesn't matter that Obama deported more Mexicans than any other President - what matters is that building a wall makes the state exercising its power to deport people and break up families **visible**, and voters now have to think about what they are responsible for. I think most people would prefer to just carry on not thinking about it.
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That quote reminded me of the drone strike policies in the U.S. It becomes a video game for these drone technicians and disconnects them from the fact they are killing the victim. Killing someone is a lot easier if you do it from 4,000 miles away and only see their face through a computer monitor.
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permlink | re-sunjata-re-dantheman-the-politics-of-negative-voting-20160813t202801872z |
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That is a powerful and true line you quoted. People think electing a representative does not make them responsible. They also urge people to pass more laws so people don't have to be responsible.
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I like your hashtag #popthevote :)
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I'm no bot. Why you downvoted my post? I have reputation 51, but now -3. What did I do? Sorry, please, return reputation!
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I removed the downvotes I could, your pattern of posting meaningless replies like "nice post" over and over looked like a bot. Please make each comment original.
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I understood more of this will not happen again, thank you
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mini | 0 | 1,652,251,906 | 100% | ||
moon | 0 | 208,866,711 | 100% | ||
healthcare | 0 | 613,016,477 | 100% | ||
daniel.pan | 0 | 882,291,134 | 100% | ||
helen.tan | 0 | 287,303,717 | 100% | ||
chryspano | 0 | 410,747,720,364 | 100% | ||
kaylinart | 0 | 75,472,468,501 | 100% | ||
beanz | 0 | 948,903,379 | 100% | ||
macartem | 0 | 1,851,652,249 | 100% | ||
win2win | 0 | 57,676,225 | 100% | ||
shingrae | 0 | 54,483,310 | 100% |
### That's harsh. Not just the fact that you downvoted them with no proof, but you called his replies "meaningless" when they were simply trying to contribute something. A lot of people here don't have command of the English language as well as you Dan and they just want to voice their approval or disapproval as simply as they can. ### Your voting history is frankly, horrible. I've watched you upvoted obvious plagiarism, downvote obvious real people who verified themselves, downvote public domain articles, downvote comments **you** felt were earning too much (the same thing berniesanders is getting heat for doing) and downvote things you said you didn't agree with (in this case I'm referring to my marketing post for Steem) thereby taking away people's ability to earn from others because your vote outweighed hundreds of others upvotes. You were the only downvote and I couldn't earn a dime. Then you later went around upvoting people posting even worse images than a girl in a bikini top. It makes no sense. I'm fully aware you have the right to vote however you see fit, but at some point you need to realize that your voting power and the way you vote haphazardly at times seriously affects others in more ways than one. You financially cripple their ability to earn even if many others disagree with your stance and you make the person feel that their opinions are not welcome, because you are are not only one of the largest whales, but a Founder of the platform. And now you can seriously hurt someone's reputation. Who knows how many bots shadow-vote (is that the proper term?) your account. I sincerely hope that you start taking a harder look at how you vote in the future, because your voting history up to this point is just downright shameful for someone in the position you are in. So much so that I joked last month that you should proxy your vote to others who have the time to do more research before voting.
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category | politics |
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smooth | 0 | 23,826,508,663,160 | 100% | ||
berniesanders | 0 | 16,279,277,387,151 | 50% | ||
kushed | 0 | 5,638,022,983,193 | 100% | ||
ozmaster | 0 | 136,428,638,773 | 100% | ||
boy | 0 | 3,082,186,174 | 100% | ||
bue-witness | 0 | 3,740,636,208 | 100% | ||
bunny | 0 | 708,373,174 | 100% | ||
complexring | 0 | 3,747,545,604,776 | 100% | ||
bue | 0 | 51,927,341,146 | 100% | ||
mini | 0 | 1,652,333,777 | 100% | ||
moon | 0 | 213,148,053 | 100% | ||
bonapartist | 0 | 106,051,721,596 | 100% | ||
smooth.witness | 0 | 3,948,980,223,241 | 100% | ||
healthcare | 0 | 613,045,587 | 100% | ||
daniel.pan | 0 | 882,334,799 | 100% | ||
donkeypong | 0 | 106,473,370,548 | 3% | ||
linouxis9 | 0 | 111,758,514,934 | 100% | ||
helen.tan | 0 | 287,316,453 | 100% | ||
tshering-tamang | 0 | 44,181,593,729 | 100% | ||
sandwich | 0 | 15,179,735,700 | 100% | ||
dana-edwards | 0 | 455,881,613,465 | 100% | ||
nxtblg | 0 | 754,210,883 | 100% | ||
leprechaun | 0 | 942,571,194 | 100% | ||
changby | 0 | 121,362,793,371 | 100% | ||
ossama-benjohn | 0 | 22,724,125,924 | 100% | ||
michaelx | 0 | 38,665,425,627 | 100% | ||
nineyards | 0 | 10,281,708,765 | 100% | ||
venuspcs | 0 | 41,056,397,431 | 100% | ||
brunopro | 0 | 20,645,178,240 | 100% | ||
bryanj4 | 0 | 290,241,491 | 100% | ||
doesntmatter | 0 | 371,463,924 | 100% | ||
thealexander | 0 | 206,254,390 | 100% | ||
endgame | 0 | 513,832,855 | 100% | ||
ausbitbank | 0 | 19,450,808,780 | 100% | ||
ashold882015 | 0 | 16,135,253,228 | 100% | ||
repholder | 0 | 134,313,432,838 | 100% | ||
biophil | 0 | 32,671,942,249 | 100% | ||
cashbandicoot | 0 | 2,374,786,124 | 100% | ||
sweeney27 | 0 | 1,095,261,368 | 100% | ||
doctorstrange | 0 | 934,589,607 | 100% | ||
vorsseli | 0 | 1,282,097,523 | 100% | ||
jsteck | 0 | 750,234,632 | 100% | ||
sgnsteems | 0 | 1,230,786,824 | 100% | ||
blueorgy | 0 | 176,863,814,706 | 100% | ||
jcweiss | 0 | 5,850,559,011 | 100% | ||
arcurus | 0 | 33,011,678,473 | 100% | ||
crazymumzysa | 0 | 15,331,468,993 | 100% | ||
xcode18 | 0 | 107,640,544 | 100% | ||
logic | 0 | 3,477,115,450 | 100% | ||
venuspcs1 | 0 | 112,159,681 | 100% | ||
belkins | 0 | 1,287,973,877 | 100% | ||
williambanks | 0 | 14,986,792,338 | 100% | ||
rampant | 0 | 13,084,683,490 | 100% | ||
najoh | 0 | 6,602,709,676 | 100% | ||
flandude | 0 | 17,659,194,922 | 100% | ||
hornytrucker | 0 | 3,639,619,486 | 100% | ||
timelapse | 0 | 11,287,955,378 | 100% | ||
oflyhigh | 0 | 2,078,639,164 | 100% | ||
randyclemens | 0 | 4,626,137,312 | 100% | ||
jrcornel | 0 | 67,617,638 | 100% | ||
sharper333 | 0 | 502,206,413 | 100% | ||
bitcalm | 0 | 26,281,736,414 | 100% | ||
macartem | 0 | 1,851,652,249 | 100% | ||
scifiwriter | 0 | 10,166,131,597 | 100% | ||
rittr | 0 | 681,760,383 | 100% | ||
the-how-to-guy | 0 | 1,442,882,845 | 100% | ||
caleballen | 0 | 231,189,881 | 100% | ||
blue1950 | 0 | 58,237,451 | 100% | ||
win2win | 0 | 58,829,750 | 100% | ||
hornytrucker1 | 0 | 186,153,304 | 100% | ||
positivelyweird | 0 | 57,899,480 | 100% | ||
steemphil | 0 | 57,236,345 | 100% | ||
marz.steemit | 0 | 161,718,327 | 100% | ||
matthewtiii | 0 | 805,132,535 | 100% | ||
freedompains | 0 | 55,638,546 | 100% | ||
baldsteve1 | 0 | 55,632,600 | 100% | ||
siclone23 | 0 | 53,446,562 | 100% | ||
shingrae | 0 | 54,483,310 | 100% | ||
whatsup | 0 | 51,654,452 | 100% |
This dude @macartem reply made him $242. He's fucking fine!
post_id | 590,875 |
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author | laconicflow |
permlink | re-dantheman-re-macartem-re-dantheman-the-politics-of-negative-voting-20160813t213058693z |
category | politics |
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created | 2016-08-13 21:26:21 |
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Perhaps a thumbs up button would help with reducing "clutter" of this sort? Users are used to thumbs up and thumbs down for voicing their opinions on something. It's quick, easy and familiar to us already. Currently if you want to show your support for a post, you have two options. - upvote - comment If you upvote you give a reward and reduce your voting power. An upvote is too strong and does too much extraneous stuff if you are simply wanting to give someone a pat on the back. A vote is precious and not to be given away freely. A simple thumbs up button is all that is needed to show some level of approval for what the poster has done. An upvote can be reserved for when the voter feels the post is worth a reward and the voting penalty to themselves. It seems like a win-win for all involved. The voter can feel like they are showing support, the poster can feel like they are being heard and rewarded. It's not money, but just like in real life, even getting acknowledged for a job well done goes a long way. And one by-product is that the comments section will be free of some amount of "fluff" comments such as "Good job" and the like. Whenever I bring up this idea in Steemit.chat I get enthusiastic responses. It seems like something that must have already been considered, so I'm curious if there is some hidden pitfall that mucks the current system up? Cheers
post_id | 591,914 |
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author | doctorstrange |
permlink | re-dantheman-re-macartem-re-dantheman-the-politics-of-negative-voting-20160813t225716126z |
category | politics |
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abit | 0 | 6,333,858,290,643 | 100% | ||
blakemiles84 | 0 | 299,738,918,479 | 100% | ||
thealexander | 0 | 206,254,390 | 100% | ||
wymetto | 0 | 58,335,926 | 100% | ||
win2win | 0 | 57,676,225 | 100% | ||
jeremyfromwi | 0 | 472,997,907 | 100% |
before we downvote somebody we should get in contact with him ask him to change. Only if he is not interested in change, or makes really serious offends we should downvote him. Especially whales have a big responsibility before they donwvote somebody, because one vote can decrease the reputation that drastically that all future posts become invisible. And nothing is more frustrating then to have no change of not being heard.
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author | arcurus |
permlink | re-dantheman-re-macartem-re-dantheman-the-politics-of-negative-voting-20160815t093355391z |
category | politics |
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Ridiculous. I hope I was able to help a bit. Nice work Dan.
post_id | 590,740 |
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author | berniesanders |
permlink | re-macartem-re-dantheman-the-politics-of-negative-voting-20160813t211149674z |
category | politics |
json_metadata | "{"tags": ["politics"]}" |
created | 2016-08-13 21:11:48 |
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root_title | "The Politics of Negative Voting" |
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voter | weight | wgt% | rshares | pct | time |
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ozmaster | 0 | 2,728,572,775 | 0% | ||
venuspcs | 0 | 41,056,397,431 | 100% | ||
hitmeasap | 0 | 21,998,472,551 | 100% | ||
kakoywhich | 0 | -76,452,184 | -100% | ||
flandude | 0 | 17,306,011,024 | 100% | ||
macartem | 0 | 1,851,652,249 | 100% | ||
luminousvisions | 0 | 0 | -100% |
Great work Mr. Bernie I made a good choose in my book:). Seems as you understand all people here and when I mean people I mean whales, dolphins and minnows. You are the linguist of us all and understand us.... To understand what I'm saying check out my book chapter one. I love it. Maybe you can add some input as who the bad guys and good guys can be in my book. Don't want to afford any one. Peace out.
post_id | 594,896 |
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author | carlidos |
permlink | re-berniesanders-re-macartem-re-dantheman-the-politics-of-negative-voting-20160814t045730769z |
category | politics |
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created | 2016-08-14 04:57:33 |
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root_title | "The Politics of Negative Voting" |
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There yah go, have a level up ;) 37>38, you'll be back in no time! You actually only need <a href='http://steem.cool/@macartem'>5 billion rep</a> until your next level. Sounds like a lot... but its not.
post_id | 591,147 |
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author | blueorgy |
permlink | re-macartem-re-dantheman-the-politics-of-negative-voting-20160813t214815216z |
category | politics |
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Yup thanks to your app I can see my next level like if I'm playing an RPG game. Love it
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author | carlidos |
permlink | re-blueorgy-re-macartem-re-dantheman-the-politics-of-negative-voting-20160814t045903915z |
category | politics |
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http://i.giphy.com/l0MYvAw8zPuFkcal2.gif
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author | flandude |
permlink | re-macartem-re-dantheman-the-politics-of-negative-voting-20160813t221740143z |
category | politics |
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created | 2016-08-13 22:17:42 |
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root_title | "The Politics of Negative Voting" |
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thealexander | 0 | 200,826,643 | 100% |
There really needs to be a better way or repairing rep. Getting rewarded 250 as an apology is insulting to the users spending hours and hours trying to make the Steemit system better through their original content and thoughtful commentary. This sort of reparations is out of line with the initial grievance. I assume my comment is not new, but just wanted to get it out there since I've yet to hear it voiced. And I'm here a lot so that means something!
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author | doctorstrange |
permlink | re-macartem-re-dantheman-the-politics-of-negative-voting-20160813t233137087z |
category | politics |
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created | 2016-08-13 23:31:36 |
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root_title | "The Politics of Negative Voting" |
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author_curate_reward | "" |
voter | weight | wgt% | rshares | pct | time |
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innuendo | 0 | 319,761,435,986 | 100% | ||
jsteck | 0 | 750,234,632 | 100% | ||
deanliu | 0 | 19,866,567,113 | 100% | ||
najoh | 0 | 6,473,244,781 | 100% | ||
ats-david | 0 | 69,793,961 | 100% |
The hardest thing for me is to see quick comments like "awesome job" and "amazing analysis" and NOT thinking they are a bot. I try not to downvote them but sometimes I do because it truly is pretty meaningless. This is especially true if 75% of one's posts are 5 words or less. I personally prefer to not post at all if it is something short...unless it is something witty in the context of the situation that implies a level of cognition and reasoning only a human can accomplish. ;) However to get back to the point, I can understand getting upset about being downvoted...but please realize at the same time it is difficult to not want to flag those comments because you see so many of them when your vote is worth over a buck.
post_id | 594,675 |
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author | fuzzyvest |
permlink | re-macartem-re-dantheman-the-politics-of-negative-voting-20160814t042202355z |
category | politics |
json_metadata | "{"tags": ["politics"]}" |
created | 2016-08-14 04:22:03 |
last_update | 2016-08-14 04:22:03 |
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root_title | "The Politics of Negative Voting" |
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author_curate_reward | "" |
voter | weight | wgt% | rshares | pct | time |
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cryptogee | 0 | 831,224,538,703 | 100% |
with all due respect, the fact that this reply and the one under it by @tuck-ftheman get a total of more than $1,400 payout - especially for @macartem as this payout exceeds maybe 100 times his/her overall payout of all posts ever. This fact itself says it all about the voting problem right now. if you somehow get involved in engaging with the whales, it may pay off much more than you diligently working your ass off all kinds of good posts, not to mention if you are in the center of **disagreement** among whales - it might be worth more than 1000 posts by 100 people! I sincerely hope my comment doesn't affect @macartem 's 'luck' - it is good for redistribution. so, lost a password or something and come forward to complain about it - you might just get lucky! with that being said, I still love steemit and respect most whales who makes this happened. it is just the voting that is somehow sick at the moment and hopefully the new solution will improve this greatly.
post_id | 595,339 |
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author | deanliu |
permlink | re-macartem-re-dantheman-the-politics-of-negative-voting-20160814t063045357z |
category | politics |
json_metadata | "{"users": ["tuck-ftheman", "macartem"], "tags": ["politics"]}" |
created | 2016-08-14 06:30:45 |
last_update | 2016-08-14 06:30:45 |
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root_title | "The Politics of Negative Voting" |
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voter | weight | wgt% | rshares | pct | time |
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innuendo | 0 | 313,491,603,908 | 100% | ||
doctorstrange | 0 | 953,281,399 | 100% | ||
deanliu | 0 | 20,022,029,724 | 100% |
It is bad that peaple sell their votes. I think its a lot of scam in vote counting and a scam all the vote proces. Politicans allways scam their voters also.
post_id | 589,089 |
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author | nippel66 |
permlink | re-dantheman-the-politics-of-negative-voting-20160813t184318923z |
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Funny how people are force collectivized into this nonsense called "the will of the people". Since when does might make right? Should the Christian coalition be able to force their morality on atheists? Muslim voters their will on Jews? Whoever has the numbers is magically morally superior? I'm either lost or just totally disagree.
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What about when someone creates more than one profile in an attempt to have more than one vote? Eventually, I see no reason why, if the person is decent at creating content which generates SBD, someone could create accounts that would build power over time. As you said in your previous post that when 2 voters vote together, their votes together are worth more than their sum total. So when someone creates 5 or 10 accounts, builds up their power, they can wield those accounts as one cumulative supervote. In fact, don't we see this with many whale votes?
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It seems that few are immune to playing the victimization or entitlement card, it's just a matter of degrees. And somehow the two often wed into a cognitively dissonant justification for actions that turn producers into tyrants and non-producers into their victims. It would seem that where the majority rule, this will not change. However, when there is reward or loss-of based on voting, accountability runs higher.
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So tempted to downvote this for ironic reasons. On a more serious note, are you concerned about people stalking other people that have wronged them (at least in there eyes) and continuously downvoting them? I could see this happening if say I downvoted someone, and they thought offence to it.
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jsteck | 0 | 734,604,744 | 100% | ||
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This happened to me. I downvoted someone's comments who was overtly spamming on other people's posts, and he went to my blog and down-voted my posts =/
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Happened to me earlier today.
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Well his idea of delegating yourself to always NEGATE a certain person until you see someone you think you should NEGATE more is kind of advocating this. :(
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I used this picture in the other post as well, but I want people to see it: <p><img src="https://i.imgsafe.org/f6a528b24e.jpg" width="640" height="535"/></p>
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markopaasila | 0 | 177,749,940,971 | 100% | ||
leprechaun | 0 | 924,089,406 | 100% | ||
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>Conclusion People are irrational. [...] Much Latin ... Here's some Latin as a background on these words. > *Est igitur **res publica res populi**, populus autem non omnis **hominum** coetus quoquo modo congregatus, sed coetus multitudinis iuris consensu et utilitatis **communione sociatus*** *The people* (populus) is a much different concept than you seem to think. > *Homo est animal rationale* Nobody said that a man is rational - yet that doesn't make him irrational For a good debate it would be essential to establish some definitions first. I feel like Winston, questioning #newspeak I don't even know where to start. I'm not enjoying this :D
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Steemit voting system is changing to democracy system.
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No it isn't.
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He never mentioned steemit or steem. He just spoke about voting. (He wrote about some ideas for steemit that are very much not about voting a couple of days ago)
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Thomas Jefferson once said that pampers and politicians have two things in common. They both cry a lot and they both stink. To have that kind of foresight is unreal!
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Funny, I've heard this comment attributed to Ben Franklin and Mark Twain... just today. Who is the real originator of this quote?
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There are no elections, only selections. The elite sponsor the preferred candidate. Voting machines are rigged, and people are divided and sent to fight with one another, while the same powers rule over us perpetually.
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Exactly but people only want to see what they want to see they need to feel they have some control. It's pretty pathetic actually.
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The only solution is free speech. Steemit can do wonders, just like how existing social media spins elections, Steemit can add transparency.
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Carefully read your posts about voting. Our family had great unforgettable experience about voting during the last "election" of our President when our voices were taken away, were substituted and sold as on a cheap market. Many of our friends were public official observers at the elections and were frankly outraged about what was happening during the vote counting. They were removed from the election areas sometimes even by force, not to let them an opportunity to do their job. I wanted to do one big post on this subject in future and of course I will, but when I saw your post I couldn’t pass by without sharing. A man with a backpack on his shoulder, trying to hit his wife from the police, it's me. This happened on St. Isaac's Square in the heart of St. Petersburg during a peaceful demonstration against the election results March 4, 2012. https://pp.vk.me/c11189/u2026586/153629304/x_7c9e0185.jpg
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Quoting from the conclusion: "People are irrational yet believe they are perfectly sane. They will take personal offense any time anyone attempts to expose the disconnect between reality and their own delusions." I'm sure everybody has a negative reaction to receiving a flag on a post or comment, myself included. My first thought is always "What did I do?" that has to be interpreted in the sense that I've either done something wrong or am being maliciously acted upon. While it won't fix the full issue, just by having an explanation of the flagging (or even negating a vote) can calm a lot of the emotional response and ideally gain some concept of the other persons point of view. Especially in presidential politics, I see so many assume that counter (and negating) voters are instantly viewed as being malicious, leading to highly emotional reactions (which can only be calmed before having a logical discourse.) I've seen many posts around that would require a flagger to choose a category, or maybe even require a typed response of a minumun number of characters. I see importance in making the person flagging think and verbalize what their line of reasoning. One this makes abuse or revenge flagging much more obvious, as well as potentially minimize the 'negative emotional' reactions people feel when seeing said flag. I've never been a fan of us/them splits whether is US politics or even on this site. If we truly care about the future of a country/world or even this site, there are always shared fundamental goals that tie us together. The perception of malice incite poor reactions (in my opinion) and calm logical discourse (even when there is disagreement) is a major part of the fix. We're all in the same boat together.
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I am not here to beg but if you please my friend show your support to the steem whitepaper translators https://steemit.com/steemit/@skapaneas/steem-whitepaper-greek-translation
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I think upvoting your own content should be taken away. Why? Because in my eyes it keeps the same people on top with their posts. Yes, they did well in the past by making a great post but does that mean the new post is that good? I am no saint, I always click the box as well because otherwise I get hardly any votes at all. ( Not that it matter to me, I will keep posting) But it would be great to see more and different kind of people on the HOT and Trending list. To be honest, I am very scared when it comes to down voting! I don't like that option at all. Not because I think I write such bad things but it can totally wipe you out. If and when you post something and a whale downvotes your post you can say good bye to your reputation. For now, I will just vote for the things I really like. I am not giving my votes to a post just because it's on top.
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I think this vote is automatic, because I posted a small article today and it only got 1 vote, mine, and I didn't vote for it.
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I'm on record (you can look back if you wish), as saying that those with the most gold and most to gain or lose should have the most power and that this is a private enterprise. So things like censoring speech through downvotes, etc., does not apply. That being said, Whales, Inc., I kindly ask you hear my opinion. It is in the best interest of this platform to use the downvote hammer judicially. Using it because you don't agree with the content (original of course), humor, politics, have a personality conflict with a user, etc is very, very bad. What somebody may find NSFW another may find benign, what somebody may find humorous another may find offensive, so on and so forth. Once the governors (Whales, Inc.) start becoming the Judges, Juries and Executioners of appropriate content things may fall apart for some users. This has been seen at Reddit and other places when they setup committees, etc to make sure "inappropriate content" or users does not stain their platform.
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This line says everything: > the illusion that their vote matters This one is excellent too: > The truth is that is is cheaper to buy votes with propaganda than with direct offers of payment. It describes election campaigns to the point. Correct me If I am wrong but .. aren't people actually paying for the campaigns through taxes? Seek!
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Negative voting is creating culture of hate, can be observed everywhere. It is good that someone actually took this subject and explored. Thank you :)
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Hey Dan, Great article really cleared up a lot for me. I noticed you showed some interest in my earlier articles but lately I haven't been doing so well. I'd appreciate it if you checked out this article and just gave me some feedback. https://steemit.com/steemit/@timd/5yma7h Thanks :)
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How would the dynamics of negativity change if every downvote required an input field for justification. Even if someone made their justification something stupid or simplistic, it places their reputation on the line, transparently onto the blockchain. Hatred will exist, regardless of platform. The only danger I can see is in 'incentivizing hateful behavior'. While I respect the arguments in favor of some sort of 'downvote reward structure', I agree with @dantheman's assessment that it could incentivize hateful behavior.
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blakemiles84 | 0 | 291,935,840,207 | 100% | ||
jos.denmark | 0 | 1,365,277,397 | 100% | ||
jcweiss | 0 | 5,850,559,011 | 100% |
I love the idea of knowing who the negative voters are. In life, there are consequences to our actions - why not our Steemit life too? But here's my thought, and I hope you take it into consideration, @dantheman - if you want to have a stable environment, then it's not going to be a program or algorithm that you can create - ***it's going to have to be people*** You may have to consider real people (perhaps even on a payroll) who are community moderators. These people are the ones who put out the fires, do the research on the genus of the problem, and ultimately make a decision about vote power or even membership to the site. Just my thoughts.
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The problem I see is that people vote (or hate) personalities. The truth is that the election process has little to do with policies. Who is expressing them and how those ideas are marketed matters even more than the content itself. In this context, a negative vote would probably be directed to someone (and not something) who people do not like. You would probably get pretty horrible policies just because the guy promoting them seems to be a good chap. I believe however that the rationale behind negative voting is sensible. But, on the other hand, it'd be just a minor patch for a perverse system.
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Steemit and politics make the head i dizziness
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You tell about tool. You gave people this tool. You are teaching people use tool. As a result everyone will use tool, but only how they realize it itself) Additionaly It is trouble of service, it means that system is not perfect. And you try solve trouble through people (looks like captcha system). I think that we need fix reasons, not results.
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For clarification: At no point did @dantheman mention steem or steemit in his post. He is talking about voting in general. I and others have taken liberty and expanded it to discussions about steem and steemit, but that is not what his original post was about. It was more like a larger view essay similar to those you'd expect @larkenrose to be writing. So if you want to debate/discuss the steem/steemit perspective join me and others in doing so, but do realize he was actually talking about this on a macroscopic level and not specifically about the platform we are all addicted to here.
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dantheman | 0 | 28,443,493,591,751 | 100% | ||
boy | 0 | 3,082,229,783 | 100% | ||
bue-witness | 0 | 3,740,697,985 | 100% | ||
bunny | 0 | 708,380,442 | 100% | ||
complexring | 0 | 972,378,815,470 | 25% | ||
bue | 0 | 51,943,046,331 | 100% | ||
mini | 0 | 1,652,357,398 | 100% | ||
moon | 0 | 213,148,053 | 100% | ||
healthcare | 0 | 613,049,221 | 100% | ||
markopaasila | 0 | 181,304,939,790 | 100% | ||
daniel.pan | 0 | 882,342,067 | 100% | ||
helen.tan | 0 | 287,316,453 | 100% | ||
cryptogee | 0 | 814,926,018,336 | 100% | ||
shingrae | 0 | 53,393,644 | 100% |
The solution to this problem is simple, and fair, no up votes aloud from the whales and no down vote aloud, simple.
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Great article on the current voting tendencies. Honestly, this Clinton vs Trump voting season is getting a bit ridiculous to say the least. Both USA and Canada need more choice in the political spectrum, meaning more parties not just more candidates for the 2 or 3 largest parties. Independent platform candidates should have more weight and coverage if we are to build a truly democratic society.
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"No Right to Abuse Vote This is an interesting paradox because who gets to decide what is and isn’t abuse? Shall we vote on it? Is a vote to declare something abuse also abuse? This is a hypocritical position that assumes some universal standard of right and wrong. If such a standard existed then there would be no need to vote in the first place." I dont think you are asking the right question... What should be asked is why are people willy-nilly downvoting folks for work done and those folks are LOSING money because of it? Also with this logic, you also have to say "who gets to decide who gets paid and who does not?" Think about it for a minute. I write something and think it is the best thing ever written...another guy looks at it and thinks I am crazy for writing it. He downvotes me, knowing that I will not only lose reputation but compensation as well. I put hard work into this and deserve to be compensated. Should my compensation be a bad reputation, and a loss in wages? I was just today reading a comment where a person begged another person to stop downvoting him because he was losing money and getting a bad rep. The guy replied, leave me alone and I will leave you alone. Are you kidding me?! What would be the point in posting if I know that someone, who just does not like me, is causing me to lose money? What rational person is going to stay somewhere they are not being fairly treated, or compensated? I am not the only one who believes that the voting function is being abused beyond belief. There is a universal standard of right and wrong. But in our politically correct society, we can not understand it. It is wrong to abuse someone. And this goes for abuse of the downvote. Sure, if we dont like something, we are free to show it with a downvote, but if that vote is going to take the form of a decrease in wages, then that is abuse. I may not like what Joe-Shmo says, but should his wages be cut because of it? It is a theft of time and wages and that my friends, is abuse.
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Dan, I have concerns with your final conclusion. I am not certain if Steemit is the appropriate platform for mass education (getting subscribers to face the issue, understand it, and accept it) on this issue. Ultimately Perception tends to win the day (no matter how incorrect) , and the bigger the population the more entrenched that "perception" is. If the objective is for the smoothest path to success for the platform, I don't think that going against this perceptual titlewave will be the best way to get us there. I must admit, my understanding of what was intended regarding voting on this platform was in fact faulty, however I still maintain that avoiding down voting, if possible, would be the best path to consensus and social cohesion. I will not write more here, but will copy a response from an <a href="https://steemit.com/steemit/@bendjmiller222/new-content-flagging-system-with-feedback#@james212/re-bendjmiller222-re-james212-re-bendjmiller222-new-content-flagging-system-with-feedback-20160811t162811129z">earlier discussion involving voting and the flagging issue. </a> you my find of interest. ========================================= Hi, good comments. I also think that the dialog box is a good, or maybe even an essential component to the flagging system. It is essential because flagging is providing negative feed back. This is always touchy as misunderstandings can lead to upset between the two parties and thought of an unfair playing field. It is first essential (and sorely lacking currently) to have a clear set of rules, )a constitution if you will ) that all agree to play by. We all know that spam and plagiarism is against the social consensus. We need to expand on that list of social expectations and pin it visibly on the site. This rule book should be the bases of all flagging action noted on @bendjmiller222 's dialog box. In doing this we get clear documented expectations and clear documented violation. This way, very efficiently, one can check the " accepted rules", against the "rules" their being accused of breaking. Regarding using flagging for down-voting, I have an idea for possibly a better way for reaching consensus that I hope will be considered. Lately there has been a lot of down voting of top paying posts, who have no visible violation of rules of social consensus (that I can see anyway). I've seen a lot of comments about this. People are assuming the cause to be jealousy, dis-like etc. I must admin many times I am left with simular notions. Whether that be true or not, "perception is reality" as they say. I would submit the idea that negative feedback in a broad mass-communication social network is not a good thing. Negative feed back opens the social group up to the potential of a whole host of emotional driven actions that usually end up being harmful. So, Instead of ( + / - vote ) to reach consensus I would propose ( + / 0 vote ) . "Up Vote / No Vote" - These would be the two binaries between which consensus would be achieved. Doing this we remove the emotionally charged issue of negative voting. Think of it as simular to how the Steemit system gets around the negative stigma of asking members to pay upfront for operational costs by actually acquiring its resources through inflation. The end result is the same, but the phycological negative barrier is neutralized,. In the case of counter voting (down voting) it leaves the flagging system alone to deal strictly with rule breakers and transfers the responsibility to the "up vote" algorithm So then, how to we deal with blog awards being to high if this is in fact an issue? I am not a mathematician, but it seems the general up-vote weighing calculated by the program would need to come down. So, build the counter weight into the up vote algorithm to hide it, just like Steemit's ability to obtain resources is hidden in to the inflation. That said, it could very well be that the voting algorithm is working just fine now, and what we are seeing in the large awards is simply the free market at work. Thanks. Enjoyed reading your ideas.
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Interesting thoughts. How does one implement it?
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I'm just here to shamefacedly promote a new post about anarchy! Everybody here loves anarchy! For a discussion on the commons in an anarchist society, [check out my new discussion on the commons in an anarchist society.](https://steemit.com/anarchy/@biophil/should-anarchists-abolish-the-commons)
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@dantheman When Ben Franklin was asked at the conclusion of the constitutional convention in 1787, "Well, Doctor, what have we got, a Republic or a Monarchy?", Franklin replied, "A Republic, if you can keep it." Pointedly, he did not say, "A DEMOCRACY, if you can keep it," the question being what the difference is between the two. The answer is that a democracy is simply majority (mob) rule, whereas a republic (via the Bill of Rights in our case) renders certain rights sacrosanct and thus not subject to the vote — e.g., freedom of association, freedom of speech, self-defense (the right to bear arms), privacy (security of one's property from search and seizure), etc. — leaving relatively little subject to the vote and thus relatively little for the federal government to actually DO. Limited government, in other words. Thus is it clear, living as we do under the thumb of a now CENTRAL government that knows no bounds and accordingly seeks control over virtually every facet of our lives, that the republic our forebears created, WASN'T KEPT. Most egregiously, the central government has effectively stolen the money upon which a free society depends — http://www.zerohedge.com/article/guest-post-money-and-state — which is why the cryptocurrency revolution is so vital to the health and wellbeing of human society and why Steemit stands to be such a vital component of it. To say that I am excited about Steemit is thus an understatement, and, as with a rapidly growing number of others, I will do all I can to assure its success.
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@dantheman in my view down voting shouldn't be an option on site like this. It is only a tool for manipulation by more powerful members. If people don't like something they shouldn't read it and only number of positive votes, comments and views should count. If post is bad or of no interests nobody wil look at it anyway. This is how things work in life. Only in politics opponents will undermine each other. Do you want this platform to resemble politics. Do you think that members like @berniesanders who is down voting @dollarvigilante represents values of democratic community? I don't think so. Keep in mind that pool of money to be minded is inexhaustible. You can create as much money as possible if anyone wants to look at your content. People like @berniesanders should be simply not allowed to hold that much power because they don't belong to free world. They belong to corrupted world of banksters and corrupted world of politics. Don't transfer models of corruption from the world, which you are trying to replace because you will be replaced sooner than you think if you allow people to be divided. People should do what they like and if you don't like it find a place which will match your interests. And thank you @tuck-fheman for voicing your opinion. It is on the spot.
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> People like @berniesanders should be simply not allowed to hold that much power because they don't belong to free world. They belong to corrupted world of banksters and corrupted world of politics. And who is to decide that @berniesanders "doesn't belong to the free world"? Some special committee? I'm not a big fan of @berniesanders but I respect his right to do whatever he wants with his votes. What you propose the opposite of freedom - it's a total tyranny.
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Will we see a similar scenario for the upcoming presidential election?? http://blogs-images.forbes.com/jplehmann/files/2016/05/donald-trump-ok-1200x900.jpg
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@dantheman Your premise is not only flawed and cracking. It's like building a house on a frozen lake in the middle of winter and expecting not to have flooding problems come springtime. Your premise would only be valid if all votes were equal, but they are not. A vote up or down from you or any other whale has more power than thousands of votes from people who strongly agree or disagree. Make each vote up or down worth exactly one penny and let the rep system be the only factor into the weight on visibility, while ignoring the stake based weighting all together (maybe give more votes based on stake or something) and then and only then does your argument make any sense. Here is your argument... All punches are a form of violence. If I punch you in the face, then you punch me back, it's ok because we're now even. Alright I guess I can buy that so long as everything else is equal. For example we're a couple of kids scrapping in the school yard over a cute girl. After all that's how we as young males establish our place in the social dominance hierarchy. Monkeys do this too. It's just a fundamental part of being male and simian. Can't leave a challenge to our status unanswered, amirite? My boy's principal didn't exactly buy that argument though when he waylaid another kid in a brawl at school last year. *Neither did I...* But let's assume this passive aggressive BS you're encouraging is correct and applies here. It still falls apart because of stake based weighting. Let's see how this works... If you punch me first I get a bloody nose, and then I go hire Mike Tyson to punch you in the face... Are we still even? That's exactly what vote selling especialy downvote selling is. No Dan, seriously you do have kids right? When have two wrongs ever made a right? People are entitled to their opinion. But Abuse is abuse. It's simple to discern abuse for anyone who has a rational mind. Abuse is when you attack the person or group rather than an idea. If I call you "stupid", ("which I might add is not something I believe") that's abuse. If I say your posting is "a stupid idea", that's constructive criticism. It's really easy to judge the difference and I seriously doubt anyone can disagree with this. If you are attacking a person, a group or anything that is not specifically the content of the post, then you are being abusive. Hell even I will flag you for it. As a whale, you do have a duty of care to downvote content that you feel has earned a proportionally unequal share of the money. But you owe the community (and your investment) that same duty of care, whether you agree with the content or not. If it's over paid, take some money out and go spread it around where you think it's deserved. None of us minnows can actually do that. The best we can do is roshambo eachother. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_tVrQmjOlrtg/TBBboviyBjI/AAAAAAAABv4/6ha35MSP38o/s1600/roshambo1.jpg If your really believe your argument, fix the voting system to reflect that. Otherwise fix the voting system and quit trying to make excuses about why bad is good and we can all live in harmony by being passive aggressive. Even a simple popup that requires a message as to why they are being downvoted would be a HUGE help! Upvote this if you agree, if you disagree please respond in the comments. If you really like this then follow.
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Um, I think Dan might be sixteen. I don't think he has children.
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I don't think vote for sale (however promises during campaign are equivalent to buying people votes) is a big concern in the current system, but rather threat against people . That's why it is anonymous, so people can chose whomever they want without being threaten. But again, as I said in a previous reply, the election is just part of a decision making, a way so people can express their concerns over the leader who will govern them, or some aspect of the laws to which they will abide. In my opinion this is more sharing the responsibility (and all which goes with that) on who gets elected and the way he will govern than anything else. I personally don't think that negative voting would change anything except the math and the strategy to win an election.
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@dantheman did you see Doug Casey's 5 reasons to not to vote from the 1980s? I couldn't help but remember the 3rd reason: Nobody with any sense votes for any of these two. people mostly vote against the other guy. :) Anyways, here's the video if you wanna watch it, it's just 3 minutes 40, I think you'll like it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLEKGNr9RCI
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This is one rare thing that Casey is wrong about. (Voting for voluntaryist candidates is not immoral.) However, Casey qualifies his statements in other places that he would be satisfied with a proper, legitimate, "night watchman" type government. (While maintaining that he doesn't believe it's likely, given the current education levels of any electorate in the world.)
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I believe voting is the process of expressing a choice and if a person vote on something that he never choose to, then there's probably a question to it.
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"People are irrational yet believe they are perfectly sane. They will take personal offense any time anyone attempts to expose the disconnect between reality and their own delusions. This isn’t a reason to abandon a system of negative voting, but rather a reason to implement it. Anything that forces people to come face to face with reality and stop hiding their violent tendencies behind an anonymous voting box will lead to a more civil society." On what particular research in human behavioral biology have you based this conclusion upon? Because it sounds to me a bit like 100 years old assumptions in Freud style, which are far away from what science knows nowadays. The degree of rationality depends on many factors. Some people are more rational than others. For example, the degree of rationality depends on how the person has been developing intellectualy since birth. In our culture, majority of people tend to be highly irrational and lack capacity for logical thinking. That's caused by persistent value system disorder coupled with high degree of scientific illiteracy.
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what a great political view. great content
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I knew this looked familiar!!! Is it possible that @Dantheman and P Diddy are one and the same!?! ![](http://i.imgsafe.org/00614d4d5f.gif) All joking aside, I do agree with the premise here, if (+1)+(-1)=0, then we need to have both the positive and negative alike to achieve an equal balance and gain a true measure of the voting public's opinion.
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Good article @dantheman..but i'm still trying to think more around the logic & principles u mentioned & i'll probably be able to understand it 90% if not fully after couple of backreads..;)
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Thank you so much to sharing with us a wonderful knowledge, I am so happy to read it many many thanks.
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@dantheman It's not even about creating a culture of hate or a stable environment. It goes against the very essense of Steemit. The idea of censorship is what people are trying to get away from. Many people though in here still don't get it. This is why I wrote this piece. https://steemit.com/anarchy/@kyriacos/a-little-something-for-the-dellusional-anarchists-of-steemit
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Could you please remove your down vote of my post? I think a wrong use of the tag doesn't deserve an -600$ downvote, especially when I was a new user and wasn't aware of. https://steemit.com/steemit/@jademont/build-your-fan-economy-in-steemit-by-bitshares-everyone-can-be-a-star
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I appreciate and am on board with most of this discussion. For what it's worth, I do disagree with this: > "This is a hypocritical position that assumes some universal standard of right and wrong. If such a standard existed then there would be no need to vote in the first place." I believe a [Moral Law exist](http://www.reasonablefaith.org/moral-law-argument) and if you are uncomfortable with that, perhaps we have common ground in agreeing that [Natural Law](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_law) exist.
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Reading your article just made me think, it would be great to have a "Consensus Finder" App. Until then, I'll just have to get to know people be interacting. We will see.
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@dantheman wrote: "At the end of the day buying and selling of voters is a free market solution to resolving political differences in a voluntary manner." ...Not precisely, or, to clarify: It matters what's being voted on for this to be true. After all, if I assume I'm better at avoiding punishment (because I'm white), and I vote in favor of tyranny because I'm paid to, then I actually didn't "resolve my dispute" voluntarily. I did it for perverse reasons. However, those reasons may not be as perverse as making a law against me selling my vote. Every system is only "so good." Gracefully-decaying systems (ones that allow vote-selling) are better than ones that are "more coercive."
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@dantheman wrote: " No one ever stops to consider that the individual who canceled you out has just as much right to be angry at you for voting to support policies that would harm them." This strongly-worded, your statement is only true of votes regarding coercive power that violates individual rights. On steem, votes can only advocate coercion, they can't actually coerce. Additionally, votes might be stupid or delusional without saying anything about coercion (unlike in the political arena, where non-voluntaryist or non-libertarian votes actually direct coercive state power). It's a mistake to conflate the two, unless what you're trying to do is actually virtue signal to "anarchist" whales here, in a calculated attempt to win money. In that case, ...carry on.
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