Yeah I will probably have like 10 communities of my own. Naaa, 3 steem? Can't be right, we could as well make it free, but what good would that bring, it doesn't even sound like a serious stuff if its at that price, you say 100$ one time fee, I say 150$ and 50$ monthly charges.

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The annual fee is a great idea...and some states (like MA) are expensive.  $500 to create, $500 annual report fee.  

And yes, everyone and their brother is gonna create tons of communities to lock up names.  I may speculate on a few if its gonna be that cheap.   That price structure is a mistake.

Great article and totally agree.  I don't know how much it cost to start a tribe, but I'm sure it wasn't much either...all I could think of was the ICO bust we saw a year ago will hit the tribe ecosystem where 95% of the tribes will fail as well within the next 3-9 months.

Another mistake from the top.

Than we'll need another Police squad to fight low quality communities.

Although I agree the fee could be higher and we could all benefit from that, I also find it problematic to price these things in USD.   I've always  viewed 3 Steem as becoming a lot of value in the future due to massive gains/volatility.  

In my opinion, the price of these services should be determined by how much stress they put on the network, not some arbitrary artificial scarcity number we came up with based on legacy fiat.

I see your point but I disagree. As you said, a community is basically an account with a few special features. I want a low barrier to entry. I want 10000 failures. That is how we will find the gold. A low barrier to entry is what leads to mass adoption. It allows for innovation from parties who couldn't afford to get involved otherwise. It worked with web 1.0 and 2.0.

I do think it should be doubled though, with 50% going to the dao.

Time will tell I guess, I find your point very valid. I won’t start a community for 3 or 3000 Steem, but if we don’t want to get spammed with “under water billiards community” or “people that look like pigs” crap, a higher entry point could be a good idea!

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doesn't current price for creating tribe goes like 2000ENG which is 2000 STEEM
imo Steem account doesn't equal to Steem Community) 
we need to onboard more people here to make STEEM more and more popular! Take a look at https://steemit.com/crypto/@stranger27/steem-btc-state-for-14-10-2019-ready-to-the-final-decline report. Steemit itself vs Steemmonsters

![](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmaUzRYQMyjZ5TsjWkPnCG77PvpCyLEe2hdCPk5BL2MaCn/image.png)

only 2500-3000 people. its really small world with a huge potential, we just need to push it out!

Creating a sub reddit is free. Do you want users or be known for charges and fees? 

>Name squatting — if creating a community is so cheap, why not squat the name of hundreds… thousands of online businesses?

This is not going to be a thing. @roadscape has mentioned it's just going to be a number ID that can be named. 

>Community Creation Spam — if I were to venture I guess, I would say that within 48 hours of the launch of communities, there will be well over 1,000 communities created by less than 100 people

Again this seems based on your first point being what you thought it was, it won't matter if your community is the first or 1000th to be created, what matters is if you can get it attention and if users will want to use it.

>Waste of an Opportunity

of what? to burn more steem, to send steem to the dao? doesn't look like a lot of authors are doing this in general so why force it onto something like communities. 

>… unknown impacts of a low barrier to entry

Yeah, good one.

Don't have time to read the full post atm but just wanted to point that out when it seems most was based on your first point.

Yes, it should be at least 1000 STEEM or more.

I get your point for spam prevention, but relying on this as a way to fund the SPS or even to burn some steem is ridiculous...

We want to encourage people to build as many communities as they can, because in the end, everyone starting a community will be working for STEEM. A community leader will try to bring over new users, which need STEEM to operate, so they buy and the price increases. 

The value of STEEM is in the RC system, not in some burn for creating a community, you don't see big enough. 

And for the spam, well, who are we to judge? If you don't like a community then do not join it. If you like it, join it. What if you become part of a community that has 5 users total (including the leader), should we just discard this community in the name of spam prevention? 

What if a community starts by being useless, basically just spam, and then 10 years laters grows into something huge, something nobody expected? I think the 3 steem burn is great, 4 steem or 5 steem would be exactly the same, the point is just not to make it free (for extreme spam).

Yes.  The low cost made me cringe.  I could earn enough with this comment, if I tried hard enough, to start up an entire community.  I don't see how that low cost will bring in any outside money if these words are all it takes...

So, raise the barrier to entry on a platform that already is lacking in users and dominated by whales. Smart.

You're also assuming 3 Steem will always be worth about $0.40 which it won't. 2 years ago 3 Steem was over $20.

> People who can’t afford to pay $100 to start, probably shouldn’t have a community anyways.

**Wtf?** What a horrible mindset to have. Here I was loving how open & accessible things like the internet, open software, blockchain + crypto, and Steem included, made things. I'm here to champion for a more open & accessible space, not another *"pay up you fucker"* type of environment.

Feels so strange that you think this way since your very own words:
> If I want to launch a business in the U.S., it can range from hundreds to tens of thousands of dollars, depending on the structure of the business you launch.

Are the **exact** reason I want Steem to be different. The current method sucks. Break down the barriers, allow anyone who wants to create a community come in and create one!

Plus, I think with the whole "name-squatting" thing you're missing a  critical ancedote: **Reddit**
Creating sub-reddits is free, and Reddit has about a bajillion more users than Steem. Even still, it's not *too* hard to get a name you want on there.

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All that being said, if the price was raised to *$1 - $3*, I wouldn't be opposed. Especially if it went to the dao, that was a good idea.